Is it cheating when... (not about salm, so don't bring it here)

[warpfeedmod]

Never having played a tourney I've got a question, could he have chosen to get on the field without any equipment altogether? Say if a team of 5 watns 4 men to lay paint and a 5th to just make the flag runs/etc?

[bofh]

Originally posted by warpfeedmod
Never having played a tourney I've got a question, could he have chosen to get on the field without any equipment altogether? Say if a team of 5 watns 4 men to lay paint and a 5th to just make the flag runs/etc?

Oddly enough, yes, you can go and play without a marker... looks like rule 3.28 says you can enter and play without a marker.

[athomas]

There are different variations of keeping your equipment or not. Many times, the ruling requires you to keep with you, any equipment that you start a game with. You may elect to start a game without a gun or pack. I have seen games where each player was chronoed 1 min before a start. If a gun was hot, you could line up as if to start with the gun, but had to put the gun down 10 sec prior to the start.

[TheBigRaguPB4L]

You know what always makes me chuckle everytime i hear it? NPPL rules. What's the point? They should have an exemption at the end or something stating that if you play pro or simply are on good terms with the refs, most/all rules need not apply. Give me a break.

It's been my experience that refs just make things up as they go along. Whether it's in the rules or not. Obviously we're only human and make mistakes, but more often than not, it's slightly rediculous. Refs of good quality are really hard to come by. Not that they don't exist, but they're far and few between.

[Trunnion]

although i don't have much personal experience with tourny paintball, i've never heard of any ref actually making use of the 3 for 1 penalty for wiping a hit as stated in 12.12

[Kevmaster]

heres what i love:
in my 3 Man series, the official rulebook has a the infraction of wiping being a 3 for 1..... think about it. how are they going to pull 3 men plus 1 when there are only 3 men TOTAL??

so, not everything is perfect(oh and this is Force of Nature's series so its somewhat respectable)

[Trunnion]

the NPPL rules cover that in rule 12.53: "Assessments of one-for-one, two-for-one, and three-for-one penalties when no livce players are left will result in the opposing team being credited with that number of live players that would have been eliminated from the offending team had there been players available for such enforcement, until such opposing team would be credited to full strength."
i'm not sure how your tournament's rules cover this, but i would assume they have a similar ruling.

[Paintchucker]

Originally posted by Strider
I know most of the tournaments I've been too specifically say that you can't drop your equipment.

I haven't played in tournaments in years, but that was pretty much understood when I played. BTW, my team took 17th at the Indoors in 1995!!! It was our first tourney together!

[RamboPreacher]

Other than this thread, everywhere else I had posted this (it's been a while now), this is exactly the kind of responce I got, over and over again "pretty much understood" as a rule. just asking for trouble if you ask me.

Thanks for everyone's responces. I feel better now that I don't think I am a cheeter (after all these years).

[Vendetta]

I don't see why you got docked points if the understood rule is that a player is eliminated when he drops his equipment. I think you got hosed.

[Trunnion]

in my opinion, if the rule you got eliminated for is NOT in the documented rules or is not referenced to(like, "as in NPPL rule *enter number*"), then they shouldn't be able to call you out for it. ignorance is no excuse, that's true, which is why their failure to specifically state the rule themselves shouldn't cause your elimination. it's a bit of a loophole, but it's really their fault and not your's. but that's just my opinion.

[FutureMagOwner]

i could see a couple reasons why. first while trying to toss your gun you could "accidentally" over throw it and hit someone on the other team in the head and kill them or cause some type of injury and if you throw your gun(like you seem some teams do) you compromise that tank and it could potentially blow with who knows what will happen as a result

[hitech]

Originally posted by Trunnion
If the rule that you got eliminated for is NOT in the documented rules, or is not referenced to (as in NPPL rule *enter number*), then they shouldn't be able to call you out for it.

I would have to agree. You did NOT violate any of the rules. How can you be out/penalized? BTW, there are no "unwritten" rules. If they are "unwritten" they don't exist!

[SHOCKER1050]

happened to me too..only mine was accidently...it was a local tourney and we made the semifinals...off the break i went dashing to the 50, and the hopper on the gun i was using(black magic cocker-not mine) went flying in the air when i slid lol. Newayz...i got pulled...it wasnt cool..specially since it was 3 man and with 3 man every guy counts...lost us the game and a chance to take away some pretty cool prizes...owell
john

[pballguy17]

Hm... the NPPL rules say, only pds/squeeges/rags, can b left behind 5 feet? what about paintballs? every paintball u fire leaves 5 feet, y aren't u pulled hehehe. also what if i'm rnuning from the braek to the fifty, and my hopper isn't on tight, falls of at the 20, and i keep runing to the fifty, not noticnig my hopper? does that mean i'm out? also, since u can exchange equipment, can on person hold two guns? what if u tied ur opds togther an made a wall outta ur pods? if the wall can't b used, can pods that are thrown b shot for a elimantion? i.e. i throw a pod out of my bunker, and someone shoots my pod, am i out? wht about my "pod wall".


P.S. i'm just toying with NPPl, plz don't take me seroiusly