Letters To and From PMI regarding the "Evil" line of Products

[Magotman]

Weren't you the one that started the cheap personal attacks Shartley?

BTW, John D, who posted on here earlier is on the first page of the Smart Parts catalog if you want to know who he is you noobs.

[ogre55]

Thanks for having my back Sam, but the day I can't respond to a post like that is the day I hang up my keyboard.

Ogre

[shartley]

Weren't you the one that started the cheap personal attacks Shartley?

BTW, John D, who posted on here earlier is on the first page of the Smart Parts catalog if you want to know who he is you noobs.

Ogre55

[ogre55]

Originally posted by Magotman
BTW, John D, who posted on here earlier is on the first page of the Smart Parts catalog if you want to know who he is you noobs. [/B]

Whatever John's status is does not make him right or wrong. In fact, whatever my status is, in paintball or otherwise, does not make me right or wrong. We are all just stating opinions here.

As for pointing out to 7000+ people who Mr. Dresser is, have you, even for a second considered that he might not want people to know who he is?

Ogre

[cphilip]

There will be some hell to pay if this challenging of the curse filter continues. Next one that cannot settle down and discuss things without cursing or attempting too curse is gonna get three days with no further warning.

SO COOL OFF OR BE GONE FOR A COOLING OFF PERIOD!!

[Scott Misfits]

Basically, what I think is that all of you mag owners are jealous that they aren't making anything for your "precious" guns. If they made some new light weight, super-duper do hickey for the mag then all would be good.

As far as the t-shirts go, they're not promoting cheating. It's a fact that cheaters live longer. Maybe 30 seconds, maybe until the end of the game. A cheater will generally stay in the game longer than you will. Why? Because he cheats. He ignores the rules. I have many hats from a hockey company with all sorts of sayings that weren't really out to promote hockey. They sayings that were on the hat were just a part of the game. How many people outside of paintball are really going to understand the JT shirt "No Wiping"? Not alot of people. How many people are really going to associate the "Cheaters live longer" shirt to paintball? Not many. I think it's just a big over-reaction on your part. If you don't like the humor, don't buy it. You're one of about 20 people in the paintball community that can't see the fun in it. They're not taking themselves seriously. Why should we?

Send all flame messages here. I will reply to them all, in the same fashion that I have responded here.

[Jonno06]

hey,which Smart Parts catolog..I have the 2k1,and the 1k2 one...

and I agree...by making a tshirt...paintball isnt going to get banned

some of you remind me of the PC idiots who are trying to change the name of the second LOTR movie...

[shartley]

Originally posted by Scott Misfits
Basically, what I think is that all of you mag owners are jealous that they aren't making anything for your "precious" guns. If they made some new light weight, super-duper do hickey for the mag then all would be good.

As far as the t-shirts go, they're not promoting cheating. It's a fact that cheaters live longer. Maybe 30 seconds, maybe until the end of the game. A cheater will generally stay in the game longer than you will. Why? Because he cheats. He ignores the rules. I have many hats from a hockey company with all sorts of sayings that weren't really out to promote hockey. They sayings that were on the hat were just a part of the game. How many people outside of paintball are really going to understand the JT shirt "No Wiping"? Not alot of people. How many people are really going to associate the "Cheaters live longer" shirt to paintball? Not many. I think it's just a big over-reaction on your part. If you don't like the humor, don't buy it. You're one of about 20 people in the paintball community that can't see the fun in it. They're not taking themselves seriously. Why should we?

Send all flame messages here. I will reply to them all, in the same fashion that I have responded here.

LOL Now THAT shows a sense of humor.

Besides, bringing Mag Owners and their Markers (being a totally not related issue) into it all. And on a MAG forum... LOL

And on his first post! WooHoo!!!

I smell a Troll!

talk about folks taking things too seriously... what about those who want to constantly bash those who don't like the shirts..... I think THEY are taking this even more seriously than those that think the shirts are not a good thing. LOL

[Magotman]

No offense, but if john wanted to be all anonymous and stuff he wouldn't have posted using his real name. Not exactly a common name and all.

Scott Misfits has a point. If there were Evil mag parts maybe there wouldn't be all this hate in a mag forum? I don't even think they make the classic mag barrel. The shocker forum at IOG was all up in arms until they found out the Shocker Worm actually works. Now they love Evil. Only AO has this massive hate thread.

Jonno06 - he's in the most recent one. That says "Eye Popping" on the cover. Come to think of it, I find that tagline more offensive and dangerous to paintball than "Cheaters Live Longer."

[RamboPreacher]

Originally posted by Magotman
[clip] Only AO has this massive hate thread.[clip]

uhmmm - nope. This kind of thread is on MANY forums that I know of, and none are thrilled with the site. as for me, if they did have evil mag parts, I still wouldn't buy them.

Tongue in cheek is all fine and good, but when it is so much on the "edge" that "most" people can't tell the difference unless it it specified that it was supposed to be a joke, or written in sarcasm or whatever - it is no longer tongue in cheek. (my opinion)

[aaron_mag]

This is not a "hate" thread. How can it be a hate thread when both sides of the issue are being supported? That fact makes it a discussion thread.

I'm middle of the road. I don't like their advertising campaign but if I tried a product and liked it and liked the price I'd probably buy it. I suppose Shartley and Ogre would say I'm the worst kind of consumer. A guy who is turned off by their marketing, finds it vaguely offensive, but is so indifferent that he buys the product if he wants it anyway.

[ogre55]

aaron_mag: Can't speak for Shartley, but I have nothing against anyone who buys anything. To buy or not to Evil or PMI products, paintball gear in general, or crack, for that matter, is personal choice. I make a personal choice not to buy their products and I let them know why. Maybe if enough people do the same thing, something will change.

Because I have a forum to voice my views (AO) I hope to maybe influence a few more like minded people. But I will not fault anyone for choosing not to listen.

As for this being a "hate" thread, I bet if you count how many have chimed in that they like, or are ambivilent to Evil's campaign, to those that have voiced concerns, you will find the ratio to be pretty even.

Ogre

[shartley]

Originally posted by ogre55
aaron_mag: Can't speak for Shartley, but I have nothing against anyone who buys anything. To buy or not to Evil or PMI products, paintball gear in general, or crack, for that matter, is personal choice. I make a personal choice not to buy their products and I let them know why. Maybe if enough people do the same thing, something will change.

Because I have a forum to voice my views (AO) I hope to maybe influence a few more like minded people. But I will not fault anyone for choosing not to listen.

As for this being a "hate" thread, I bet if you count how many have chimed in that they like, or are ambivilent to Evil's campaign, to those that have voiced concerns, you will find the ratio to be pretty even.

Ogre

[Crazy]

John Dresser,

Saw you guys play at the ICC state, was quite ammusing, I really like the evil jerseys you guys had, just wondering where i could pick one of those up?

Thanks,
Kurt

[Fred]

Wow this picked up again...

...too bad it has digressed a little bit.

As the thread starter, I'd like to clarify that it was NOT started as a hate thread, merely a discussion about what I felt was a relevant issue to the Paintball society. I've been labeled a crybaby, noob, and other things as a result.

As for being a mag shooter... I'm actually not one, but I do like them, and have been known to borrow Wyn's when I need to lay down some high ROF smack that my pumps just aren't capable of. but that is not the issue at hand, and I'm gonna leave it at that.

As for who this John guy is, and for being a noob since I don't know who he is, or really care all that much... its not the issue. I'm not a noob, and I don't play tournies, got a problem with that?

As for being a loser who writes letters to paintball companies... these were the first two I have ever written, to ANY company, declaring my personal disgust with their conduct.

For those who have attacked those of us who don't care too much for the Evil product line saying that its a non-issue, I'd ask you to kindly take your heads out from between your legs and look at some other forums on the net. Every forum that I frequent has addressed this issue, and this is the only one where fellow members have attacked me personally for standing up for something I believe in, thanks AO, you're setting such a fine example of why this isn't PBNation...

I'd like to see some more people chime in on this still.

---Fred