Marker info needed!!

[Brian68mag]

the 2003's are great markers!
Let him shoot some other markers aswell so he makes the right decision.
The 68 mag is probably the most reliable marker on the market and can run with anything when set up correctly with a good user.
The impulse can be good, its fast but it is less reliable then a mag', its also slightly bigger, the main advantage is it runs great on CO2.
The bushmaster is one of my favorite electro's. Its called the poor-mans angel sometimes and it can rip! I find them to be pretty darn reliable and they run well on CO2 but are better off on N2, i perfer them over impulses personally. Alot of people will disagree with me.
The stock cocker can be a very reliable gun, it really boils down to the user behind it 99% of the time. If your son is willing to learn how it operates and how to time and repair it, be it by watching video's or having a tech give him lessons it will be a pleasurable experiance for him and you. If you son is willing to do that if he really wants that cocker i'd say go for it.

I prefer mags for a few reasons, they are small and allow me to play tight. Im used to them so i hit what i aim at. Im good with the trigger but i struggle with cocker triggers. They feel more balanced in my hands then cockers do. I never have to repair my mag between games, its my time to talk, help other people or just relax. Its also less stressful knowing my marker with work for me everytime i pull the trigger, i dont have that feeling with other markers, even though i havent had many problems.
Some people feel completely the opposite, its a matter of preferance and taste.
Goodluck to you and your son, i hope he picks the right marker for HIM.

[Ov3rmind]

i love cockers, have him buy a cocker and everyone else you know buy a cocker...why? oh just because theres nothin better than hearing ::clunk, grrnt' ppppfffffftttttt:: cause you know you are now effectivly playin aginst a 4 man team not a 5.....one thing about cockers, THEY WILL FAIL...so will every paintgun at one point or anoter but cockers have an annoying way of doing it just when you dont need it to....when your in the shop dry firing...perfact. at home test firing behind the house....so good it hurts. First big tourny ::clunk, grrnt, ppppfffffffttttt::

I keep saying it, and I will always say it. Take care of your Cocker and it will take care of you. Clean it, oil it, and make sure you have your stuff Loc Tited up (I think that's the main problem, people don't put Loc Tite where it needs to go and their timing slips). And lastly, don't tinker if it's working fine! My gun has yet to let me down during a game, that's more than I can say for my old Spyder, and beleive it or not, my friend's old Micro Mag (ball detent AND powerfeed came loose during a game, it became misfeed and chop heaven). The vast majority of guns will work when you take care of them. Electronic failures are one of the only things I'd be too terribly worried about, which is what makes the Mag and Cocker great guns.

[Trigger_Happy]

The micromag isn't made by AGD! It's made by PTP! Also, the ball detant on a mag is not external (problem solved) and the Powerfeed on a mag is not removable (problem solved).

Now, after backing the mag (it deserves it), I'd like to say that cockers can be a great gun! You say AOers are unbiased, and that is more true here than most places, but don't expect the Autaomags forum to keep from pointing out everything wrong with a cocker, and everything great about the mag!

I leave you with this one warning: Running a mag on CO2 is NOT a good idea. I tried everything. No good. So if you need to run CO2 in your area, I'd reccomend a cocker + palmer stabilizer, or possibly an Impulse or another decent performer on CO2.

*Sigh* I loved my mag.....now it's the cocker for me. A good "second place" I guess.

[Creative Mayhem]

I've owned 2 cockers in the past, and both of them didn't agree with me. I just couldn't keep them working, no matter how much I tinkered with it. I'm technically profficient, like I said, it just didn't agrre with me. I had techs look at them including Todd Adamson of Aftershock, he got one of them to work for all of 10 balls. I have had my mag for 10+ yrs and absolutely no probs, it's the same as the first day I bought it. You can't beat a mag, very low maintenance, virtually no moving parts, and accurate. Accuracy however, is like most have said, you need to match paint size to the barrel to get good accuracy, but this is minor. Your sone needs a marker that is gonna last, work everytime, because if he has to fix it too often he'll get rid of it, or get fed up totally and forget pball. Don't snicker at the fed up part, I know 2guys that left paintball cause thier markers pissed them off. If your son has his heart set on the cocker, so be it, but I highly recommend that he try one for a FULL day of play. Other than that, get a mag.


C Mayhem

[digitard]

I agree GO WITH THE MAG

I have a classic Mag I bought in 97 ... and I still use it today (although I'm finally upgrading it) .... it has the best stock valve (minus the RT/EMAG/ETC) you can get in my opinion and its a great reliable gun w/ no exposed parts.

Plus if you do wanna upgrade and tinker its VERY simple ...

Sincerely,
Dave K

[ICOM]

Hey hardrock you just explained what happened to my brother at that 3 man at paintball arena. Works great at home and at shops. And when we went to the tourny their, clunk (yade yada) all messed up. According to Jon their it was at the shop and he tried convicning him into buying a mag. Was pretty funny at the moment.

[puckmaster]

The only thing I like about cockers is the back block and the feel. you can rip on them easily.

[battlegroup]

I have owned an autococker and worked at several shops fixing markers so I consider myself very proficient. I could keep my cocker working but it took a lot of tinkering to get it smooth. They're good markers but If you are not willing to put in the extra time to really get to know the gun and how to work with it, I would get something else.