HALO-B problem - according to WAS?

[cledford]

Has anyone heard of a problem with the HALO-B that would possibly be corrected by a replacement board from WAS? I'm getting wind of a board being in the pipeline by WAS for the HALO. I've also a heard a rumor that WAS has tested multiple HALO-Bs and he all have some undisclosed issue. The rumor goes on to hold that the only way to resolve the HALO issue is to slow it down which Odyssey would obviously not want to do.

After the Intimidator shoot down debate with WAS (and the fact that everyone I know has a HALO-B that works great) I'd love to know what this "possible" issue might be. I'm guessing more hype to sell another product

Here is a link to a PB Nation post where Jim mentions a possible HALO board:

http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=151627&pagenumber=1

Here is the quote:

"The interface is going through its 3rd re-design, due to building a variety of Equalizers for different markers. We needed to have a more generic interface that would allow flexibility so we could program virtually anything we wanted (including things like the Angel LCD and Halo)."

Thanks for any input.

-Calvin

P.S. Chris I got your email requesting info on the old thread, I tried to reply to you and all my attempts bounced. Can you give me another address to reach you at?
I can be reached at [email protected]

[demonguy8]

Ill try and help what i can here...(basically answer your question without actually answering it)

The WAS head guy (jim) is a vvery shady person, he often makes claims that he cannot backup to try and sell more products, his company doesnt have even have a phone to recieve customer calls/tech support or whatnot...
As for halobs many of the problems associated with halobs are from the marker not the loader (for instance on some intimidators the bolt sits too far back so when the halo force feeds paint it can double load causing breaks..)I know some angels have had marker problems with the halob b again where it was the marker not the loader.. or other markers having the halo push paint PAST the ball detents resulting in breaks Jim seems to think that replaceing the board will fix all of these things... Im a little skeptical and take most of what he says witha grain of salt.. i do notice however (in jims defense) that warpfeeds dont appear to have the same chopping issues that halos do?

if you want elaboration as to jims shadyness wait for manike to post a reply or check the hopper forum on pbnation the thread about the corkscrew

[Kneedragger]

Re: HALO-B problem - according to WAS?

Originally posted by cledford
Has anyone heard of a problem with the HALO-B that would possibly be corrected by a replacement board from WAS? I'm getting wind of a board being in the pipeline by WAS for the HALO. I've also a heard a rumor that WAS has tested multiple HALO-Bs and he all have some undisclosed issue. The rumor goes on to hold that the only way to resolve the HALO issue is to slow it down which Odyssey would obviously not want to do.

Well, while Jim maybe pretty good with software development. He seems to be totally clueless when it comes to mechanical and electrical issues. The so called "mod" he made to one of the boards was basically soldering another resistor on to the board, which basically had about a .1% difference in the circuit. The problem that Timmy's have with force feed systems is usually the bolt positioning. Easily fixed with an adjustable ram cap. Another fix is just to up the LPR.

The problems Angels have is that the ball slips past the detent. First off, I think WDP needs to rethink things, a single detent just doesn't cut it. You need 2. But there are ways around the problem. Using a stiff detent, also uping the LPR. Eclipse is playing around with a cork tip to put on the end of the bolt.

Occasionally, we do find a loader that is pushing harder then usual, but that's easily fixed by a small drop of oil on the belt. Slowing the loader down is ludicrous. The whole point is to go fast.

[paintball8869]

I personally would like to get rid of the eye on the halo. Hopefully that's what this board will do, use a "wireless" intellifeed and be "smarter"

I've had the eye get covered with paint or just go out on me at times. It's not fun when it goes nuts on you and keeps feeding.

I do know that the halo B feeds too fast for me. Slowing it down is not what i want to do though. I'm getting a new bolt with hard ball detents for my intimidator so that i don't have the "chopping" problem caused by extra balls feeding in when i rapid fire.


So basically i babbled about nothing. But hopefully WAS will come out with a wireless intellifeed, have a low priced board, and not hype the hell out of it. His hype is so damn ridiculous, even though his product (equalizer) is a great improvement.

[cledford]

Re: Re: HALO-B problem - according to WAS?

Originally posted by Kneedragger


Well, while Jim maybe pretty good with software development. He seems to be totally clueless when it comes to mechanical and electrical issues. The so called "mod" he made to one of the boards was basically soldering another resistor on to the board, which basically had about a .1% difference in the circuit. The problem that Timmy's have with force feed systems is usually the bolt positioning. Easily fixed with an adjustable ram cap. Another fix is just to up the LPR.

The problems Angels have is that the ball slips past the detent. First off, I think WDP needs to rethink things, a single detent just doesn't cut it. You need 2. But there are ways around the problem. Using a stiff detent, also uping the LPR. Eclipse is playing around with a cork tip to put on the end of the bolt.

Occasionally, we do find a loader that is pushing harder then usual, but that's easily fixed by a small drop of oil on the belt. Slowing the loader down is ludicrous. The whole point is to go fast.

This is similar to the so called Timmy shoot-down issue that Jim claimed when he released his new board. According to him, electronic testing showed an issue with the original Timmy board that caused "massive shootdown" (he later backtracked to claim that the shootdown could only be seen by a power user like Bob. The numbers later dropped from over 30fps to just a few).

I happened to know (through testing with a computer based chronograph months before for the purpose of seeing how a Palmer reg held up) that the Timmy suffered no shootdown at all. Statistical analysis of the 30 round shot strings showed overall drop-off of 2.5fps over the course of an entire 30 round string - which most people then attributed to the air source. In any event, 2.5fps is not shoot-down - at least not enough to warrant the "chicken little" cries of Jim. He even went as far as to tell me in a PM at this site that Bob wanted to keep the whole thing hush-hush because he (Bob) was afraid that there would be a panic and Timmy owners would feel ripped off by defective boards.

Anyhow, the point is that he only ever conducted electronic testing of the board and based his opinion/belief on that - no real testing of the marker in action. While I can't argue with his results (didn't do the same test) I can/could positively say from real world testing (actually shooting balls through a chrono able to record at 14bps) that the Timmy suffer no real shoot-down. Jim's answer was to then claim that the timmy couldn't even shoot 14bps and then backed it up with more electronic mumbo-jumbo. He went as far as to state that the "shootdown" did not start until after 14bps and that since no stock board (then what was the problem in the first place?) could shoot over 14 that my results were invalid. Another "real-world" test (sound analysis) showed that (yet again) Jim was wrong. Regardless of whatever his electronic theories and testing said - I had a .wav file of a stock/classic LP timmy shooting 30 shot, full-auto, 14bps strings.

Jim may have a good background in electronics but overall I think he overlooks the obvious fact that real world performance is what counts - therefore is what must be tested. The gun ran fine regardless of what his "proof" said to the contrary. He likes to wow people over at PBNation with complicated explanations of sophisticated electronic tests he claims to have run. Real life doesn't support his assertions. In that case he may have shown an electronic anomaly with the board (which he claimed would cause shootdown) but NEVER (which is typical with him) provided any real data (based on actually testing of the entire marker - not just the board) to support his claims. In short, he may very well have discovered an issue electronically, but never proved that it really affected anything - he just hypothesized that it did. For a guy who claims to be as educated as he, not testing/proving a hypothesis is pretty weak.

BTW, He made some very strong accusations over in the PBN hopper forum - you might want to check them out.

-Calvin

[cphilip]

WAS is curing my board in my Halo B through hypnosis. From a distance to without even seeing it. And guess what! its working!!! Proof? It worked fine all day yesterday!

[Miscue]

I tore apart my electric razor and installed a WAS board with AI technology. It kept track of hair lengths and calculated optimal torque and spin to chop the most hairs possible, given the limitations of the razor's design.

Now, the Norelco president is going to use the board in all of his razors because it is far superior to the old board, which used to knick people. This new board does not knick people, the AI fixes all those problems. It moisturizes your skin through the ionization of particles in the air - a result of the board's AI modulating the voltage and amperage... yes it is possible. It has a PC interlink cable that allows you to update the AI via the internet. The next version that they are working on will prevent the regrowth of hair all together. It also has a built in cold fusion reactor so you never have to recharge batteries. In fact, you can reverse the direction of your cigarette lighter in your car, and power your car from the razor if you buy the extra cable... solving North America's smog problem. The AI does all this with a $1 microcontroller!

I swear it works, I don't have proof, but I swear it did... my smooth chin is proof! You non-believers just don't understand because it is beyond you. Behold the power of WAS!

[Webmaster]

Miscue - you are so full of it - every one knows youre baby faced and dont shave!

[cledford]

You forgot to mention that WAS didn't contact Noreleco - they went to him for the new board - just like Bob

-Calvin

[bofh]

This is why I have a beard....

[cphilip]

Originally posted by Webmaster
Miscue - you are so full of it - every one knows youre baby faced and dont shave!

I happen to have photographic evidence he shaves...HIS LEGS! Lady Norelco by WAS!

[cris8762]

WITCH HUNT!!! BURN THE WITCHES!!!!!!

[gatorchris]

You forgot to add that the cable for the car is delayed because its being reworked to support trains, private airplanes (not commercial, we are rocket scientists, not miracle workers), and Tickle-Me-Elmo's. It will be ready...eventually. Hi Calvin, replied to your email. Sorry Ive been a ghost around here, season ended and I took a little break. Mar to Nov is a lot of tourney paintball

[banzaimf]

Wicked Air Sports, helping to solve your handling woes when your 1981 Honda CVCC reaches 250 MPH.

[Xerces]

my board cured a leper