30bps freeflow

[sneakyhacker420]

yeah, thats fun to watch about 20 or so balls go flying 10 feet, then its a blender... PAINT MARGARITAS(spelling?) FOR EVERYONE!

btw personman... whos that guy standing next to you in the AO SC pics when your in the pie suit?




PIE = GOOD

PUMPKIN, CHERRY, APPLE, PEACH, STRAWBERRY AND ALL THE OTHER DELIGHTFUL FLAVORZ

YUMMY

[Ov3rmind]

Yes, it is very possible for a FF Cocker to be able to cycle at 30 bps for a few reasons. Pro Paintball has made several upgrades that make this possible (these of course can be added to any Cocker):

A. The 3-way is replaced by a solenoid. This can switch much faster than a mechanical 3-way for obvious reasons.

B. Their SMC rams are made to withstand very high rates of fire without giving out like other Cocker rams. While other Cocker rams could last a bit beyond 20 bps, I believe the SMC can last longer, and at higher rates of fire.

C. Their new tungsten "lite" hammers. They are the smallest and lightest hammers available for Cockers, which would help cycling speeds for obvious reasons.

I also find it funny how everyone was ooing and ahing over the Emag when it was shown to do 30 bps. But when a Cocker does it, it's some how less fantastic.

[xmetal2001]

Originally posted by Ov3rmind

I also find it funny how everyone was ooing and ahing over the Emag when it was shown to do 30 bps. But when a Cocker does it, it's some how less fantastic.

A few reasons for that:

1)Your on a mag forum
2)We've already seen the E-Mag do it, old news now
3)Cocker's have elves, that makes it unfair

[shartley]

Originally posted by xmetal2001


A few reasons for that:

1)Your on a mag forum
2)We've already seen the E-Mag do it, old news now
3)Cocker's have elves, that makes it unfair

[Bront]

Originally posted by Automaggin2
Well, my local store said a Evil rep came in to the store and claimed the Omen can shoot something like, 60, or maybe it was 80, BALLS PER SECOND. Thats just stupid. I cant even see a reg recharge that fast.

The Omen Claims to be able to Cycle 40 times a second. In theory, that means that if you can feed it that fast, it will fire that fast. However, the trigger is limited to something below 20 anyway, so it's a mute point without a trigger mod.

[theraidenproject]

Kind of OT, but has anyone else seen pics of the Lotus? It is sooooooooooo ugly. Anyway, back OT, as long as a gun can fire faster than I can pull the trigger, how MUCH faster really doesn't matter to me, except for bragging rights compared to my friends' markers.

[56kSomeGuy]

Originally posted by Ov3rmind
I also find it funny how everyone was ooing and ahing over the Emag when it was shown to do 30 bps. But when a Cocker does it, it's some how less fantastic.

The e-mag was proven to be able to do 30bps(tested and documented) while they only still claim to say that the cocker can do 30bps. I want to see some proof!

[xen_100]

Originally posted by Automaggin2
Well, my local store said a Evil rep came in to the store and claimed the Omen can shoot something like, 60, or maybe it was 80, BALLS PER SECOND. Thats just stupid. I cant even see a reg recharge that fast.

that is complette crap! I saw a video of a guy running his timmy(without paint) at 35 BPS and a 4500 max-flo could not keep up with the air demands........you think 60-80 BPS would even be posible???? no!

I think there is one more thing people are missing here..........nearly all fields and all tournies do not allow anything but semi. so how fast can you really pull a trigger???? I dont care how short or reactive or soft the trigger you will not be able to consistantly (on the feild, playing) be able to pull more than 15 or so BPS. so everything else is just hype.......the day a person can pull a trigger 30 times in one second is the day I start looking for the boinic implants.

[sneakyhacker420]

the key word is the gun itself being CAPABLE of shooting that fast

[ogre55]

Let's find out

I am a die hard magger, however, I just couldn't pass up the deal I got for a used Freeflow with extras (I could tell you the price, but then I would have to kill you )

Anyway, due to the problems many used guns come with, I sent her in to PnP to have some maintenance work done. Due to the fact that I wanted to treat myself for a personal accomplishment, I have decided that while she is there, I was going to have the good folks of PnP drop in an Eclipse E-Blade.

So I figure that between the Freeflow/E-Blade Hybrid, and the Max-Flow 45/68 I should be able to top her out on BPS all the way to the edge of envelope. No way to really time her I guess (I'm not sure if the E-Blade comes with some sort of LCD/LED that tracks BPS), however, she will come with an ACE which will prevent chops and which will slow her down if chopping becomes a problem at higher BPS rates.

To be honest though, to me this will be a purely acedemic excersise as I have yet to find a use for shooting faster than 8-10 BPS. Just my playing style, I guess.

Ogre

EDIT: Oh and the HALO-B should be able to keep up as well.

[badfish314]

bps...

Just use a field chrono to see the bps you can rip. I have a sweet race and I can only get 14 max. It's simply too much mass to move faster than that. I do know halfblocks and freeflows can go to 19-20bps. They have much lighter parts than mine though. I'm too cheap to afford the good stuff. I'd love to know what a e-blade can do though. They say 20+...I say show me. Good luck w/ the e-blade.

[314159]

*update* freeflow is getting rid of their blenders this year to make their "spiked" slushies at their booth, they are also demonstrating the ability of their marker to "mix drinks", have a couple drinks, and you won't care how easy on paint your marker is

56ksomeguy, the automag rt valve was tested to 27 cycles per second.

some have gotten their emag to 30 cycles per second with an aftermarket board, by reducing the sear pull time, to allow for more valve recharge time.

i don't think anyone has reached 30 bps on a mag, they are up above 20 though.

[shartley]

Originally posted by 314159
*update* freeflow is getting rid of their blenders this year to make their "spiked" slushies at their booth, they are also demonstrating the ability of their marker to "mix drinks", have a couple drinks, and you won't care how easy on paint your marker is

56ksomeguy, the automag rt valve was tested to 27 cycles per second.

some have gotten their emag to 30 cycles per second with an aftermarket board, by reducing the sear pull time, to allow for more valve recharge time.

i don't think anyone has reached 30 bps on a mag, they are up above 20 though.

[ogre55]

Just a bit of an update on me earlier post regarding the E-Blade/Freeflow. When I took the Cocker apart for the first time (which was also the first time I took a Cocker apart, period) I was amazed at the complexity of the operation. This is not meant as a "dis" to Cockers because they do work, but the complexity of the operation to cycle just one ball reminds me of a Rube Goldberg machine more than a marker. It seems to defy the age old KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid) principle. Contrasting it to the simplicity of a 'Mag was enlightening.

As someone stated earlier, the number of operations involved in one cycle seems would seem to hinder speed. I can't wait to find out the truth of the matter.

Ogre

[RRfireblade]

Originally posted by shartley

Just because you CAN does not always equate to you SHOULD. It is like putting a rocket engine in a VW Bug.

Someone SHOULD do that!! To much is NEVER enough!



Jay.