too honest?

[TheBigRaguPB4L]

One of my teamates and i were haveing a sort of discussion. Didn't really last long but it still got me thinking. Any of the top pro/am teams are all whipers. I said that a few probably weren't(maybe), but that's besides the point. We were talking about the future of our team and i was explaining that we have to overcome the obstacle of our team being honest. He argued that you can't become a top team by being honest. In order for you to be a top pro/am team, you have to at least play on certain hits. I argued briefly but thought about it. I believe that you can overcome the cheating, granted it would be hard but can be done. What do you believe? It's definitely hard to shoot a guy out when he won't leave after you shoot him. But is it impossible? Is it worth trying? Just succumb to the dishonesty and stoop to their level to get ahead? It's become apparent to me that it's not going to get better, only worse. It seems to me that it is becoming progressively worse. Just forget it all and beat them at their own game?

Side note: I will never intentionally cheat in a game. The closest thing I will ever come to cheating is the unobvious hits that i didn't know where there(IE:top of the hopper, pack, shots that I sometimes don't feel).

[Army]

Honor at all costs.

[Creative Mayhem]

Originally posted by Army
Honor at all costs.

AMEN BROTHER!!


C Mayhem

[Goon]

Personal Pride!

[shartley]

Honesty and Honor are two of the top things in my book.

[FalconGuy016]

Imagine how much better you are if you beat them while being honest at the same time? I never cheated before and I never will

[RamboPreacher]

Originally posted by Army
Honor at all costs.

Exactly.
I heard several comments at the PanAm that our team would have made it further if we would have argued more with the refs, or if everyone played at our integrity level.

[Kevmaster]

Quoting FatMan: "Sportsmanship is second only to saftey..."

[Devil]

Good Job everyone...we all need to give this guy and everyone else that plays out there the applause for honesty and integrity! It counts more in life than winning...it's actually winning, but you know how it goes!

Don't ever wipe, don't ever cheat...it will mess up you life!

[xadamx]

i cheated once.... my first game several years ago i still feel bad. oh weill, i got my butt lite up. i diserved it. i havent cheated sence

[ben_JD]

Of course, Army's initial statement on the issue is correct, but the true test of your character will come when you lose your first game that "matters" due solely to you not cheating and your opponent wiping. It is that test which will be most difficult.

[digitard]

I have to go with the "honest" ones here .... ya cant respect yourself for winning by cheating ...

Hell, at a local tourny a few years back I was playing for the first time and we were doing good ... shot myself in the foot (yeah yeah i know) cause I slipped when running and "BLAMMO" .. right in the foot ... called myself out, I know a lot of people who would of wiped it cause it was their own shot and that'd been their "reason" for wiping.

Out of the match cause my own shot to my own foot ..lol

Sincerely,
Dave

[Tack]

The thing to always remember, is that eventually a cheating team will get caught. Look at Avalanche. Now I'm not saying everyone on the team knew about the deal, but I am not saying that they didn't. The point is that even if you have one bad apple on you team, you will eventually get caught for it.

Why not play the game fair. Instead of putting the effort into finding ways to wipe a hit, or leak a signal to your team from the dead box, put that effort into getting better as a team. Work on your on field codes, movement, and angles. Plus, think of it this way. If you are a successful team that strives to be honest about all their games, then you start winning with some shady tricks, perhaps not blatant enough be spotted but defiantly shady. Your team will be put in with the rest of the bad teams that have been caught, or suspected of cheating. Every game you and your team play, the reffs will be extra tough on you. Perhaps splatter from a bunker will be called as a hit because the reff feels that you could have wiped a hit that he missed previous, perhaps an old hit that was cleaned off poorly could be thought to be a wipe.

Cheaters will win, that is unfortunately a fact of life, however, they will always get caught, and when they do......Well, look at Avalanche.

It's better to play by the rules and sleep good that night than to cheat and get caught. Just the $.02 worth from a player who got sick of the tourney scene with all the cheating, and attitude.

[RamboPreacher]

Originally posted by ben_JD
Of course, Army's initial statement on the issue is correct, but the true test of your character will come when you lose your first game that "matters" due solely to you not cheating and your opponent wiping. It is that test which will be most difficult.

happened almost every game for our team at the PanAm. No, I am not saying that the other teams were cheeting. I am saying that had we not been as above board as we are, including our efforts to not argue or otherwise discuss "situations" with refs. I know I had hit many folks that didn't get called out, but because I trust the refs, and have a personal policy against arguing with refs or calling them to check an opponent, I must have been mistaken or they were bouncers - at least that's my reasoning. Our team always "wins", even when we come in dead-last, because we have alot of fun!

[dre1919]

If my team and I went on to the top circuits and went 0-100 we still wouldn't be cheaters...to hell with that. We understand that playing fairly and playing hard are more important than winning...and so is having fun. We play because it's a great time for us to go out and play a sport were good at, and it gives us guys a chance to hang out with each other. I prefer knowing that if I'm better on that day than the other team, we win...if we aren't we lose. But to cheat to have to win is really lame...I don't care if there is money involved.

One of the things I'm the most proud of is in my area people know my team as a good bunch of guys to play with. We built a reputation as being guys who show up, play hard, play fair, and don't complain to the refs. We've placed ok in tourneys, even won one, but more importantly people like inviting us back because of our sportsmanship. I think we have a responsibility, not even as paintball players, but as decent human beings to not sink to the level of some lowlifes and cheat others out of what they earned. If you want it, put the work in and go earn it yourself.