best high end pump: illusion vs. phantom, there can only be one winner

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  • halB
    Registered User
    • Sep 2002
    • 953

    #1

    best high end pump: illusion vs. phantom, there can only be one winner

    well no more rainmaker for me, but i still wanna marker, and since i have to pay for my own paint now, well i want a pump. and not just any pump, i want a good one. i started paintball out with a pump, but it left something to umm... be desired, like not breaking. anyways ive been looking into the phantom and illusion, anyways here are things that are really important to me
    versatility and interchangibility: i wanna be able to switch my gun in and out for the situation
    lightness: a few ounces wont matter but several pounds will
    price: i know im gonna have to spend a bit on it, but i wanna know im getting my money's worth.
    and the most important
    feel and pumping action: it has to be smoooooooth. i dont care whether its long, short, heavy, or light, the pump needs to be consistent and smoooooooooth like velvet.

    now im liking the illusion because the feed can be changed in and out so i can switch from stock class to pump class. im probably gonna be using stock, cause thats what im most familiar with, but i wanna know i can change it just in case. im also liking the illusion because it has cocker threads, and that means i can get a rainmaker barrel offa ebay and slap it on there, because that barrel works spectacularly with my field paint.

    im not liking the illusion because the price seems a bit high, the pump handle doesnt look comfy, and it has the d/f and such. im gonna be using a 12 g guaranteed, no change in that

    im liking the phantom because it appears to be lighter and also the phantom name, its more established and i know i can put a 12g on easily.

    im not liking it because im worried i wont be able to change it from stock class to vert feed or whatever, anything thatll take a hopper. i think ill be doing stock class feed but im just not sure. i also dont like the fact that the 45 grip costs a lot more than the m16 grip and i dont see why really.

    overall, itll come down to the pumping action, but can anyone share with me their experiences with the pumps?
  • CRog075
    Registered User
    • Jun 2002
    • 763

    #2
    Who makes illusion? pics? never heard of it...

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    • HoppysMag
      Hoppy's en Fuego!!!
      • Oct 2001
      • 3494

      #3
      i have a Phantom, it has a wicked smooth pump, and i love it. i think the reason 45's cost more is the fat they are metal and M16 is plastic but its only 25$ more and i dont qualify 25$ as "A Lot". i wont say anybad about the Illusion cause iv never used one. but i really like my phantom



      go to the Phantom Connection



      EDIT: Action Markers makes the illusion more info later

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      • Jeb_Hoge
        Registered User
        • Jun 2001
        • 143

        #4
        The Phantom can be changed from stock-class feed to gravity feed. It's a lot like the Mag in that respect...there's stock-class bodies, centerfeed bodies, and right and left feed bodies. Swapping bodies takes probably about 5 minutes and doesn't require any tools.

        I don't know a whole lot about the Illusion, other than the Angel-thread feed necks and the Cocker-threaded barrels, and that it's supposed to be a darn nice pump. I own a Phantom with the stock-class breech, .45 grip, vertical ASA and a Palmer Stabilizer side-mounted to the valve body. Oh, and also with an adjustable matching T-stock. The build quality on it is exceptional, the accuracy is excellent, the stock barrels are as good as any aftermarket tube you can get, and it's a great value. Check out www.phantomonline.com to see what you can get, and look for the Phantom Owners' Group, too.

        One odd thing about the Illusion that I remember hearing was that the trigger was weird...like a combination slider-pivot action, and it's a double trigger on a pump, which isn't terribly useful.

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        • HoppysMag
          Hoppy's en Fuego!!!
          • Oct 2001
          • 3494

          #5
          well all the phantoms scored higher than every other pum cpet tieing w/ the Sterling STP.

          you might want to check out Sterlings, Snipers, And Carters too...

          but the best suggestion for all paintball guns is try them out and then make a decision.
          "You have not converted a man because you have silenced him." -John Morley

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          • magman007
            I <3 my Penis
            • Jun 2001
            • 7579

            #6
            I highly reccomend the phantom. THey are highly customizeable ,and you can get them to meet your own taste. there a small company, one man run, and their customer service is amazing. The stock barrels are great, there all aluminum, slim, small compact, oh they have a nice smoote pumpaction as well.

            the bodies are easy to change, and you can run a bunch of different configuartions.


            YToou can also get about 30 good shots off per 12 grahm


            hope that helps you decide, go for the phantom



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            • Brak
              POOP
              • Sep 2002
              • 1996

              #7
              get a sterling if you can find them they blow both outta the water
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              • willk
                El Supremo Slacker
                • Nov 2000
                • 6

                #8
                Get a Carter if you want a really nice custom gun. Other then that, the phantoms are nice and light.
                |willk|

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                • hitech
                  Not a shedder of vortices
                  • Nov 2001
                  • 4775

                  #9
                  You phantom guys, cann you attach a standard drop forward to the 45 grip?


                  Hey Hitech your starting to sound like me! - AGD
                  Hitech is the man.... :eek: - Blennidae
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                  • TippmannMan
                    Inactive
                    • Oct 2002
                    • 378

                    #10
                    wheeeee

                    hitech
                    Hitech Wang

                    Registered: Nov 2001
                    Location: SF Bay Area
                    Posts: 1337


                    you have a leet number of posts

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                    • dmonahan
                      Registered User
                      • Oct 2001
                      • 144

                      #11
                      If you want the flat out best pump you have to look at a CCM.

                      The official CCM Paintball online store! Paintball gear directly from the manufacturer. USA MADE.


                      At this time they are working on a stock kit. But if you want a pump that is light and with a butter smoot action, auto trigger and looks awsome you can not beat this gun. I have a Phantom also and the only time i use it now is it I have to play stock. But you can beet as soon as a stock kit is avlb it will get stuck in the closet.
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                      • mykroft
                        Registered User
                        • Jan 2001
                        • 2010

                        #12
                        The CCI Phantom does take a bottomline on the 45 frame.

                        My recommendation is if you have an investment in Cocker Barrels, go with the AM Illusion. Their markers are some of the best built and annodized markers I've ever seen.

                        The Phantom is a legend for a reason.
                        2k2 VF Cocker, STO/Eclipse Blade, Old-Style 14" Boomstick,
                        68AutoMag Classic Feed CF11023, Ring trigger.

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                        • hitech
                          Not a shedder of vortices
                          • Nov 2001
                          • 4775

                          #13
                          Re: wheeeee

                          Originally posted by TippmannMan
                          hitech
                          Hitech Wang

                          Registered: Nov 2001
                          Location: SF Bay Area
                          Posts: 1337


                          you have a leet number of posts
                          Okay, you got me, I'm lost. What do I have exactly? Really, I don't get it?


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                          Hitech is the man.... :eek: - Blennidae
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                          • TippmannMan
                            Inactive
                            • Oct 2002
                            • 378

                            #14
                            im usually opposed to using terms like leet, stfu, noob etc but if youve been playing computer games recently alot of people recognize 1337 as leet (l33t).

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                            • HoppysMag
                              Hoppy's en Fuego!!!
                              • Oct 2001
                              • 3494

                              #15
                              Re: Re: wheeeee

                              Originally posted by hitech


                              Okay, you got me, I'm lost. What do I have exactly? Really, I don't get it?
                              Leet is a web slang thing a language in its own and 1337 is the name of the language if im not mistaken, which i probibly am.


                              last time i check CCM didnt make a pump and well i check just now. any pics? out of production? custom job?

                              i believe carters are way to pricey, but what ever floats ur boat... iv heard both good and bad on the Sterlings

                              EDIT: This it? its all i could find, i did find stuff on a CCM pump kit but not much

                              Last edited by HoppysMag; 12-16-2002, 04:22 PM.
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