Why I like full auto...

[petefol]

who would distinguish who is allowed to use full auto and who isn't. and who needs full auto if your retromag can do 15+bps semi.

[Dayspring]

Again, it comes down to you saying that the responsible ones get to use it, and the others don't.

A) Who's to say who is and who isn't responsible? What's the determining factor?
B) I can be perfectly well behaved in front of you, but turn your back and I can break the rules just like anybody else.

It breaks down to this. Safety. Not perceived or otherwise. Safety for safety's sake. The reason forbanning full auto is the same reason that fields require trigger guards. Accidental shots. Semi auto- one accidental shot. F/A- untold numbers of shots. Imagine an accidental pull happens. 1 shot, your chances of injury are less than a string of shots.

Let's be PROACTIVE and ban full autos. It only helps the image of paintball. People already think its dangerous. By removing one of the concerns regarding safety, we are improving our sport's image.

[digitard]

I think it should be up to the players on the field and a set limitation if accepted ...

In some cases people are too "cautious" to accept a gun like that, then maybe allow a demonstration, if the players agree then cool .... if they just have too many reservations you should have to go into Semi mode because you shouldn't take away the fun of others. Even with the E guns your still semi even though you can sling paint like no other, people still know its a semi marker and they have a feeling of ease compared to using a full auto.

If accepted then you should have a set BPS like you are all mentioning about 7/9bps ... this way even know your full auto players know that your shooting at a speed they and others can match with semi's if they try.

I have no problems with full auto if setup right ... I just think it shouldn't effect others faith in the game.

Sincerely,
Dave K

[Jack & Coke]

FULL-AUTO vs TODAY'S HAIR TRIGGER ELECTRO SEMI

Topic: SKILL => valid argument for or against

Topic: SAFETY/OVERSHOOTING => invalid argument; flawed logic

1 second of FULL-AUTO at 12-15 BPS

vs

1 second of SEMI at 12-15 BPS

Think about it... there are STILL 12-15 balls flying through the air!

[Evil Bob]

As in all things, there is a time and a place to apply full auto fire... fire suppression, covering a retreat, masking a flanking attack, etc., they all involve spraying a given area with a sufficient quantity of lead to keep the enemy at bay and allow your forces to move unhindered. This is a natural thing for trained military personel, you learn it in basic training, you reinforce it throughout your military career. It is but a tool in the hands of people who are trained for it... But even well trained people make mistakes.

The military made a decision to switch from the M16A1 (full auto) to the M16A2 (3 round burst) for 1 reason... panic fire. Even well trained troops are capable of panicing and doing something that goes against their better training and logic. You can empty a 30 round magazine in seconds on full auto; on 3 round burst, it takes multiple trigger pulls to empty the magazine. It's also alot easier to put more rounds on a distant targets with 3 round burst then it is full auto.

What then happens when that full auto firepower is placed in the hands of a novice? They go nuts with it, spray everything in sight and run out of ammo fast. In a war, the last thing I want is a clueless body behind me on full auto spraying everything in sight.

Same thing in paintball, I want someone I know I can trust with that kind of firepower to NOT shoot me with it by mistake. New players can barely handle semi auto, full auto is an accident looking for a place to happen. Even in the hands of someone who knows when and where it's appropriate to use full auto, I'd still prefer to not see it available as an option on the playing field.

Why? Simply because tempers run high due to adrenal poisoning, the same reason why people hurl themselves into rocks, poison oak, do all manner of stupid things because it was the first thing that came to mind. I've walked tourny fields that had rocks and rebar sticking out of them and told our experienced front players to NOT dive into their first objectives no matter what. Even after seeing the crap on the field, one of them dives anyway and shatters his kneecap, ripping an 8 inch gash in his leg. Asking what he was thinking at the time, he responds with "not getting shot".

How many pro teams bonus ball? They're hardened players who know better, so why the hell are they doing it? Disrespect? Revenge? Attitude? Who knows? Add a full auto marker into the equation and that 3-4 bonus ball turns into 6-10.

The point I'm making here is that even experienced players make mistakes. I feel it's best to avoid the whole full auto scene completely simply due to the fact that it gets out of hand even with the guys who know better. Whether they lost their cool, made a judgement error, what have you, it's easier to just say "no" and avoid it all together. We avoid the bad press, the lawsuits, the safty concerns, the insurance company ignorant paranoia, etc. by simply saying "No, we won't allow full auto" and leaving it at that.

You want to play full auto, go play rogueball in your backyard where no one else is liable but you.

-Evil Bob

[xen_100]

what ever happened to "its one of the rules, live with it"? if the field doesn't allow FA, then dont use it. I have a booyahh on my spyder, I dont see any more acuracy with FA than I do with semi. with the super-short and light trigger, constantly hitting the trigger does not throw your shots off like you say it does. "hitting" the trigger consists of barely moving my finger, does not move the gun at all. I can run and shoot at about 5-7 BPS really easy. FA IS a crutch. everything you said proves it.

[petefol]

Originally posted by Jack & Coke
1 second of FULL-AUTO at 12-15 BPS

vs

1 second of SEMI at 12-15 BPS

most people can't even pull 7bps tho, and some new electros are capable of up to 20+bps

[Fred]

or you could just use ATS guns with 25 round clips... its hard to sustain FA when you're playin clip-ball...

the clip empties in about 2.5 seconds...

I think FA has its place in paintball, but it needs to be respected as something that is potentially dangerous.

---Fred

[hitech]

Originally posted by Butterfingers
I've gotten myself into Full Auto Games before with the E-magnum and I've walked off the field bloody.

Why does ANYONE here need more of an explanation than that? WHY? None of you who are defending FF/A have addressed this comment. Why not?

[Jack & Coke]

Originally posted by petefol

most people can't even pull 7bps tho, and some new electros are capable of up to 20+bps

maybe "most" of the people you play with....

Goto any tourny and you'll see everyone with hair trigger electros (Timmy's especially) in the 12-15 range...

[rdb123]

Originally posted by hitech


Why does ANYONE here need more of an explanation than that? WHY? None of you who are defending FF/A have addressed this comment. Why not?

Mainly because it never happened when I was airsofting. People have enough common sense to stop shooting when they hear "Ouch!" One thing to remember is that in airsoft, you are using plastic BBs, not a breakable ball.

Keep in mind though that these airsoft guns did not fire 18bps in F/A.

-Ron

[hitech]

Originally posted by rdb123
Mainly because it never happened when I was airsofting.

That is a whole different animal. The energy imparted from an airsoft BB is much less than a paintball.

[davidb]

You proposed the idea of granting F/A to people who have shown the discipline necessary to use it properly. Obviously, the people who have the discipline to use it would be the skilled players, while the newbies would obviously lack that discipline.

So, by your logic, we take the good, experienced players, who are already at an advantage, and give them F/A, while leaving the new players, who have cheap semis, unpracticed trigger fingers, and a lack of communication skills and general knowledge without it? Even with balanced teams, it's going to end up being a shoot-out between the guys on each team with skills and F/A, while the low ROF newbies sit tight and try not to get shot. I fail to see where this improves the game in any way.

One of the local fields here allows unrestricted F/A, but it is rarely ever used. Last time I remember anyone using it was the first time a couple of guys brought two of the original Intimidators to the field, after they had just been released. Full Auto is something that, in my experience, is propounded by newbies (who have yet to learn better), and those who would rather play "war" than paintball.

[rdb123]

Originally posted by hitech


That is a whole different animal. The energy imparted from an airsoft BB is much less than a paintball.

Have you ever been?

[hitech]

Originally posted by rdb123


Have you ever been?

Nope. Just using physics.