Ahem..... (New SP Shocker picture )

[RTMAGBOY13]

OLD SHOCKER
Dual Solenoid Timing
two bore construction
seperate solenoid housing
Standard trigger
n/a
180 psi range

NEW SHOCKER
single self-timing solenoid produces more shots per second
single bore construction greatly reduces body size
electronics moved into grip frame to reduce body size
reverse polarity magnetic trigger
optical vision board
150 psi range improves air efficiency & reduces breakage

[RTMAGBOY13]

and look at this

[mykroft]

New Shocker's so small because it's now a Single Solenoid closed bolt design (Can't wait to see how they pulled that one off). The Nerve is also closed bolt, but has an LPR and a faster board (20+bps to the Shockers 18), they're both vision equipped. The extra height of the Nerve goes to it's LPR (Reportedly based off the Max-Flo) and possibly a second solenoid (Just guessing here). And wonder of wonders, no more timing on teh Shocker.


They obviously share a top tube, foregrip(Which is likely the Impulse part) and gripframe (I'm guessing that will show up on the Impy too). From the look of it, the Impulse is still shorter length-wise, but is about as tall, or a bit taller than the Nerve. I'm hoping for a 9V or rechargable battery solution, rather than the lame Shocker Battery in the 2K2 and earlier Shockers.

[*ArKfEaR*]

Well i finally fell in love with a gun, something different. Welp looks like im selling my Angel and putting the money in the bank till april :). In the mean time ill play with my cocker. Cant wait baby....

[WARPED1]

I love it!I've always been a huge Shocker fan,I guess I got that from hangin' out with Frank from the AA's when he's home.
Anyone know the MSRP?I sent away for the catalog,so I should get it in 11 1/2 months.:)

[mykroft]

Word has it that it's $750 or maybe a bit less.

[alt01]

Anyone else notice that the new Shocker is an E/XMag ripoff and the Nerve looks suspiciously like a Timmy?

[WARPED1]

Originally posted by mykroft
Word has it that it's $750 or maybe a bit less.

Awesome!

[magnj]

ok we have ALL NOTICED IT LOOKS LIKE A MAG SO SHUTUP. MMM maybe my buddy will get one.

[*ArKfEaR*]

Originally posted by alt01
Anyone else notice that the new Shocker is an E/XMag ripoff and the Nerve looks suspiciously like a Timmy?

Ummm first off, the friggin Nerve is an amazing design and looks nothing compaired to that POS milled spyder you call a timmy dont compare. And if you look at a few other angles of the 2k3 shocker you will notice it does have its differences with the Mag but overall you can tell the body is a little similar. Its far by alot more attractive than any mag i know of (excluding the SLF II custom) Please if you have nothing nice to say dont say anything it will save some bandwith on AO anyway.

[mykroft]

There's little resemblance between the Nerve and a Timmy. Now, the Shocker does really resemble the non-C&C Extreme E-Mag, with a few differences. The Nerve looks fairly unique (It really looks like an Impulse Crossed with the new Shocker)

[magman007]

It hought we determined that the s^2 looks like the sluggo body festus did.. i dont think it looks much like a non cnc.


AS for Ark, i thought you dissapeared. It was getting borign here without you and our cocker accuracy arguements! Got those videos up yet???


As for asthetically pleasing, it is, still not sexier than my regular sfl(but that is my opinion, i traded a brand new pre ordered x-mag for my sfl, because it looks better... that says alot no?)

the nerve, well i feel it will opperate like an excal clashed with an imp.


Another thing sp is killing them selves with is going closed bolt. This means, that people are going to be limited to their hoppers, and that sp needs to make the speed adjustable. UNless the markers fire in cocker mode, where if you hold your finger back, the bolt will stay back.


THe problem is the timing with the feed speed. Atleast in the Excal's, the bolt is always cycling at lers say 18bps. Your hopper needs to be able to feed that 18 bps, or your gunna chop.


This may hurt sp, if they ding get adjustable bps set in that.


Also, why dont they make one open bolt? besides the impy i mean, open is faster then closed, and intodays world of.. Look my timmy gan do 32, my e-mag can do more, etc... this would help boast more and more sales

[Ov3rmind]

Another thing sp is killing them selves with is going closed bolt. This means, that people are going to be limited to their hoppers, and that sp needs to make the speed adjustable. UNless the markers fire in cocker mode, where if you hold your finger back, the bolt will stay back.

Cocker mode would be awesome! I agree on the adjustable ROF though, I believe that is needed for ALL electronic markers.

Also, why dont they make one open bolt? besides the impy i mean, open is faster then closed, and intodays world of.. Look my timmy gan do 32, my e-mag can do more, etc... this would help boast more and more sales

Besides the fact that these are totally new designs, there are already prexisting closed bolt based guns that can do 22+ bps. I really don't think a higher ROF is required. Due to the fact that the 03 Shocker uses one 'noid, I have a feeling that it'll be able to cycle faster than any closed bolt gun out anyway.

[mykroft]

Open isn't any faster than closed, and timing isn't going to be an issue.

First off, the only real difference between open and closed bolt is the rest position of the bolt. The complication in making a closed bolt electro is that the bolt moves seperately from the valve's activation, so previously a dual solenoid design was used, this caused timing issues (The timing of each solenoid activation had to be synchronized, and this was problematic with analog boards like the old shockers). With a single solenoid design (Can't wait to see how they pulled that off), this problem goes away.

Feed issues: Feed speed is an inherent problem with any marker with a fixed bolt cycle time, this is worse with closed bolt, but trivial to address with a Vision system like the new shocker, you simply don't close the bolt unless there's a ball in the breech. Problem Solved. If vision is turned off, you just increase to a default open time and slow the gun down to 12-13bps or so.

As to why one isn't open bolt, well, closed bolt is a selling feature, the Shocker is the ower end of the 2 and it MUST be closed bolt (Or it ain't a shocker), so of course the Nerve is going to be closed bolt as well, it's marketing really.

I suspect the Nerve is simply a Shocker with an LPR and lower bolt pressure, combined with a faster board.

[*ArKfEaR*]

Yes magman but closed bolt is more accurate

actually i havent played paintball in 4 months ive been working on my supra instead. Pretty much consuming all my money and time :)