a stupid rt/cocker question

[BajaBoy]

ok this isnt that big of a deal just kinda pissed my off.

a guy on pbnation i think stated that any cocker with an Bomb 3way and eclipce frame can out shoot an automag rt of anykind. Now dont get me wrong i really do like cockers and think the way they work is amazing. My dad is owns three ware houses now and has his own factory that makes eyedroppers and such. I know im not a little bs kid that goes along with everyone. A piston aka "Ram" can not really cycle all that fast, the autococker pistons arnt even free moving! Not to forget i really dought that gas can go threw the hoses all that fast under a pretty low presure (sp) and its such a low volum. For air to go thre a reg down to 600 or w-e. then into the front end (Reg 3 way then piston) then for that to get enouph power to move the bolt in the breach and to cock it. Wow i really dont think it can out shoot an free moving high presure system (rt)


might get a little confused but w-e sorry im a little tired.

[big E kingpin]

well im not saying a cocker can keep up, but i just tongiht installed a bomb and an eclipse hinge and it rocks. i know that race guns have a cocker i think its a freeflow shooting 20 a sec full auto. so i dont think its so out of the question

[Brak]

depends on how fast you can move your finger, hinges can go purty dang fast, and so can RTs

[BajaBoy]

yes i do know that they keep up, my best friend has a shocktech cocker and from why he has said it is very fast. but i just dont like when people say that their gun is faster. I know for a fact that an rt is fasted bc ive seen both at the max.

im not so much talking about raceframes. I cn see them putting out the paint bc its all timed by a computer.

And also im not tryin to diss you, unless you think your gun is the best.

[Brak]

not sying my gun is the best, hell i want to trade it for an angel. im just saying that both are really nice guns and they both can shoot fast enough for a normal person

[BajaBoy]

Originally posted by Brak
not sying my gun is the best, hell i want to trade it for an angel. im just saying that both are really nice guns and they both can shoot fast enough for a normal person

very true. i just hate when people think their the best.. or they have the best

[AcemanPB]

The RT valve has been tested up to 30 times a second, while this was with an E-mag it is still the same design and idea.

The fastest I've seen a cocker shoot is a hair shy of 20bps and that was a raceframe cocker.

I think it is impossible to pull any legal semi-automatic paintball gun at 20bps or 30cps so the whole argument is pointless.

But to awnser your question, to my knowledge the RT valve has been tested at higher speeds than a cocker of any kind.

[Brak]

Originally posted by BajaBoy



very true. i just hate when people think their the best.. or they have the best

well, theres one person who can say that: manike and his xmag

[BajaBoy]

Originally posted by Brak


well, theres one person who can say that: manike and his xmag

he has the right too

[Havoc_online]

to my knowledge the raceguns that cycle @20bps are able to do so because they replace the 3way with a solenoid. Freeflows can cycle extremely fast, however simply by design, anything over 15bps and the marker is breathing very hard. The RT valve can take much more than 30bps if it needed too(it would be a heck of a lot more consistent at higher ROF too), it's been the fastest, it IS the fastest, it will STAY the fastest.

ROF is pointless nowadays though, everything's fast, just dont let anyone tell you the RT came in 2nd though.

Seriously, all that matters now(performance wise) is, how soft the marker is on paint(nothing is softer than a properly set-up lx!), what is most reliable(HA!),what has the best pull, and whats the lightest.

[petefol]

www.butters.org anyone?

[big E kingpin]

oh oh thank you, my emagnum. yeah thats right

[BajaBoy]

"ROF is pointless nowadays though, everything's fast, just dont let anyone tell you the RT came in 2nd though. "


thats what i wanted to hear! lol but your so correct about everything that u stated, just wanted to make sure i wasnt the only person that thought that

[FeelTheRT]

guns don't shoot themselves, so it is hard to say that he can shoot his Cocker faster than any RT. Though, it could be possible that he is one of those really gifted people who can pull triggers extremely fast. This arguement is pretty much pointless. Genereally speaking, RTs and Autocockers are in the same catagory as far as ROF is concerned.

[UThomas]

I have read that a nice autococker ram like an STO or Kapp can cycle around 30-35 times a second. In the Racegun video they are shooting paint at 20 a second. A Racegun does not use a pneumatic 4 way but instead uses a 5 way electronic solenoid.

An RT valve can cycle at 26 a second. On butters.org they have a clip of it shooting paint at 25 a second.

This leads me to believe both guns are hellashiously fast.