Need unbiased, HONEST opinions ( new to paintball ) mag vs. cocker ?

[Kevmaster]

if you want an UNBIASED opinion...dont come to a 'mag forum....its notgunna happen

[magman007]

crog, imho, that was un called for, and you know it. you better check your self man. They feel it is the best marker, and for me it is. It suits my taste. I know how my marker works, why it works that way, and i can always count on it to perform the way i want it to. I am comefortable with it. you know as well as i do, there not ugly, they dont shoot like crap, and you wont get looked down on at the field.



Its opinions like that, that really boil my blood. Pito and the others feel that the mag is the best marker. Also, tell me why it isnt? last i checked, they dont chop, are consistent, not the most efficient but its there, and with the x-bodies and the sluggos commin out, there becomming sexy as well, so lets not bash markers here, no one does it. go to pbn if you want to do that. but not here

[Ov3rmind]

There is no best gun, and some people can't seem to get that through their thick skulls. Try out a bunch at your feild, ask questions, find out what you like best for yourself. I myself have found both the Mag and Cocker to shoot phenomenally, and they both deserve respect for what they are. Of course, I think I'm going to start saving for a Trix soon (shot one at my feild for the first time, nearly creamed my pants).

[MagDog68]

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[Python14]

I currently own an Autococker, but am switching back. I have owned 2 mags and 2 cockers and all were very nice. Hopefully now I can finally set things right though(mayby Morpheuoz can help by trading with me for his retro )

My tip: Make your own choice. Markers are more personal than stick deodorant. Shoot stuff and see what works for you.

[Timmee]

Well, since I own both, I feel I can contribute to this thread. I've shot the classic valved 'mags, an RT, and a 'Cocker. The 'Cocker is a tinker's marker (meaning if you want to mess with it, there's tons of aftermarket parts). The 'Mags don't have as wide a base of aftermarket parts (and most of those will either have no performance increase, or a performance decrease). Which do I prefer? Well, I've shot lots of paint through my RT, but barely any through my 'Cocker (it's my fault, I put it together from parts, and I still haven't made the effort to time it or get used to it). The RT is pretty much pick up, air up, load up, and play. I'm sure that when my 'Cocker is timed, it'll be the same way. My advice is to shoot the ones that you're interested in, then see which is more comfortable for you.

BTW, I've got the Shocktech hinge frame on my 'Cocker, and I don't really like it. If you do decide to get a 'Cocker, try out the trigger frames as well.

[Little Matt]

Well, mags are cool in thier own way and cockers are cool in thier own way. Like its been said above you need to shoot both and see which one you like better.

But if you buy either of them save your money and buy the best. If you buy a cheap cocker thats what your going to have if you buy a cheap mag you are going to have a cheap mag.

and that whole argument about I don't want to shoot that much paint. Well you going to shoot as much paint as you want to. If you want to shoot 1 ball a sec thats pretty easy if you want to shoot 13+ well you gotta learn your trigger but thats pretty easy to. The gun doesn't shoot them on its own, you gotta pull the trigger and decide how many you want to come out.

but if you buy a mag, make sure you get a LvL 10. they are a necesscity. and if you buy a cocker make sure you get a swing frame.

On a side note, I don't use a mag or a cocker. I use a Impulse, and planing on getting a 03 shocker. I just like it on here becuase they get some good conversations going.

Later,

[UThomas]

I've owned 4 mags and 3 autocockers in the last 10 years and though I don't think I'm an expert I've had some experience with each. I'd have to say that the autococker has more "personality" but the mag is more reliable (due to its simplicity, which gives it less personality) and easier to tech. They can both be made to shoot very fast and very accurate, though they have a different feel to them. My autocockers were always more expensive to get them where I wanted them, but lately with the hinge triggers and new 3 ways my autococker is easier to shoot fast. You really should play a game with each if you can to find out what you like better. They are both great markers.

[Army_Pilot]

Ok you can always tell a 'cocker owner because he is best friends with the local airsmith.....I have owned over 26 different variations of autocockers from 13 different companies. I love the way they shoot, I love the accuracy at lower BPS, and I love to get in there and learn about the tinkering aspect of it.......BUT, I hate being the guy at the side of the field still tinkering while the rest of the guys are out there playing. Than having to make your way to the pro-shop and spending another $100 on repairs. I know my way around an autococker's pneumatic system, and unless everything you get is not stock expect to be constantly tinkering.

[CRog075]

Originally posted by magman007
crog, imho, that was un called for, and you know it. you better check your self man. They feel it is the best marker, and for me it is. It suits my taste. I know how my marker works, why it works that way, and i can always count on it to perform the way i want it to. I am comefortable with it. you know as well as i do, there not ugly, they dont shoot like crap, and you wont get looked down on at the field.



Its opinions like that, that really boil my blood. Pito and the others feel that the mag is the best marker. Also, tell me why it isnt? last i checked, they dont chop, are consistent, not the most efficient but its there, and with the x-bodies and the sluggos commin out, there becomming sexy as well, so lets not bash markers here, no one does it. go to pbn if you want to do that. but not here

Oh god now you are going to turn this thread into a flaming thread, therefor get closed. You cant even accept an apology you brat.

Most guns now and days, dont shoot like crap, and dont chop. Crap, my freaking 1999 angel doesnt chop at all and can shoot it faster than most mags.

And yes most of them get looked down on. Who really takes a mag seriously at a field? No one, thats why no pros or any other teams in that matter really use mags. Why dont they? Well, thast up to you cause if I say it I will get flamed.


And I seriously think they are ugly. So I dont know it. Xmag look good yes, but all the others are ugly IMO.

[dyewire]

mag vs cocker

It all depends on your preference. PErsonally, i like mags better, less to mess with, pretty straightforward. Cockers have tons of stuff to mess with. I have used cockers, and own an Rt PRo. Cockers just take more work, and if u buy the right one, can be great. Mags are less work, and less $$, and more simplistic. Make your own decision, cause lets face it, most are biased one way or another

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[wyn1370]

Re: mag vs cocker

Originally posted by dyewire
It all depends on your preference. PErsonally, i like mags better, less to **** with, pretty straightforward. Cockers have tons of **** to **** with. I have used cockers, and own an Rt PRo. Cockers just take more work, and if u buy the right one, can be great. Mags are less work, and less $$, and more simplistic. Make your own decision, cause lets face it, most are biased one way or another

impressive your first post and you got *'d three times. maybe you should try some less colorful words.

[magman007]

Crog, there is this thing, called sponsorship... you know?

THe pro's get paid to use that marker.... that is why they use the markers they do, do you honestly think bad company would want to play tourny ball with spyders if they weent making money off of it?


Eve rhear of the JAx warriors? agd's old ALL mag PRO TEAM. they olny left, because they felt agd couldnt carry them any further with the funds. yes thats right, agd does not make as much money as smartparts or the others. maybe thats because others have more money to spend or marketing and the like as well as pro teams.


Oh, and just to remind you, the jax warriors reigned supreme using their mags... now look at them? i have spoken to the team members, and yes, many of them miss their mag, and would rather be using it than the black magic cockers they were shooting.

I didnt flame you, i expressed my opinions, if i recall you flamed. 2 times now, i most certainly am not a brat.


ANd people take my mag serriously, there is no reason not to. it is faster, more compact and has less to fool with than a cocker. Your comparing a mechanical to an electro, so be it, make the argument un fair.

Ive never been to a field, where mags were discriminated against, even at my predominately cocker impy field here in Chile, or my angel, ridden field in the US, no one discriminated when i had my classic, my rtp, my stock e-mag, nor my sfl.


oh, and to let you know, i had a cocker, didnt like her, and i traded her for my e-mag here is her picture.

[CRog075]

Originally posted by magman007
Crog, there is this thing, called sponsorship... you know?

Yes, I also said about other teams than pros. Rookies, novice, anything. Sure they get sponserd, but even local teams dont use mags. Why would they when theres better guns out?

Originally posted by magman007

THe pro's get paid to use that marker.... that is why they use the markers they do, do you honestly think bad company would want to play tourny ball with spyders if they weent making money off of it?

Hmm...I didnt know avalanche, strange, etc. got paid to use a marker . Something new to me.

Originally posted by magman007

Eve rhear of the JAx warriors? agd's old ALL mag PRO TEAM. they olny left, because they felt agd couldnt carry them any further with the funds. yes thats right, agd does not make as much money as smartparts or the others. maybe thats because others have more money to spend or marketing and the like as well as pro teams.

Yeah, hence the word AGD's pro team. And why doesnt AGD have alot of money? People buy other markers than mags.

Originally posted by magman007

Oh, and just to remind you, the jax warriors reigned supreme using their mags... now look at them? i have spoken to the team members, and yes, many of them miss their mag, and would rather be using it than the black magic cockers they were shooting.

But black magic's are not even that great of guns. If I recall, most parts are in a stock 2k2 cocker but just has a different milling. I am prolly wrong, but still, I would choose a cocker over a mag anyday.

Originally posted by magman007

oh, and to let you know, i had a cocker, didnt like her, and i traded her for my e-mag here is her picture.

And why are you telling me this? Oh yeah, you tell me about comparing an electro to a mechanical, yet, you talk about your cocker to your emag

[MrMag]

ok, i have been through a bunch of guns, and i have shot almost every type. i started with a spyer, then my mag, then my retro mag, and now my gz timmy.

i have to say that my classic mag with the classic valve was the best gun i have ever owned! why? i never had a problem with it, i never broke paint, and i didnt have to worry about scratching it or dropping it.

MY SUGGESTION: get a right feed automag, get a nitrogen system, get level 10, get a blade intelliframe, get a 12 volt revvy, and get a good barrel like a dye ultralite.