Punisher is the daddy

[cphilip]

Hogwash! I never went anywhere else. He brought it here. And I said up front I do not like the looks. And I still do not. And I have a right to say that.

added on edit: read anything you want into my opinions. It's fine with me. I do not intend to justify them any further. I guess my opinions are not welcome on this Forum. End of my involvment with that.

[dansim]

ive built 4 mags actually, but thats different didnt he make all the component(or the majority) himself he didnt buy them from a store and stick em together like that...mags arent hard to build as long as you have all teh pieces

[1stdeadeye]

Language?

Originally posted by cphilip
Gee seems like people all the sudden want only verification and can't stand anything but. You post something up only to have someone fawn all over it. When it doesn't go your way you get personal.

I think the word you were looking for is Validation ! Jeez can't you just validate us all Uncle Phil and make us feel important!

[Army]

To make a marker that doesn't chop is not all that innovative, look at all the braggarts and their LP 'Cockers that will stop on a ball. Granted, Punisher went about it in a new way, but the results are the same. Not to mention, that he not only compares it to LX, but intended it to react the same...it's not a better mousetrap.

As for milling out a block of Aluminum into a stack tube design...whoopee. The reason the stack tube is so prevelent in our sport, is that it is the easiest design to make on a wide variety of machinery, and the one that works for so many different styles of internals. Nothing new or innovative here.

A large block of metal, regardless of fancy milling artwork and dazzling colors, is still a big brick on top of a frame.

That's my opinion too, and I'm entitled to it

[The Frymarker]

Well I was always taught if you don't have anything nice to say it is better off left unsaid.

Now with this in mind I have to say this, I have to hand the Punisher credit. He made something with his own hands, regardless if it works, if it is ugly, if it is too heavy, it is some from which his hands he created and for that I give him kudos. He said he spent months working on it, that is months of thought, work, testing.

Sure anyone can sit back and bash it or give it credit, but only he knows the spoils of his time and creativity.

A lot of people didn't like the Mona Lisa either, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

I understand also what it is liked to have someone bash your work, it hurts because it becomes a part of you, and I vowed I would never bash anyone's work.

To me his work shows a valiant effort and I applaud.

[BTAutoMag]

well since the new shocker looks like a mag, something had to look like a brick

[TheBigRaguPB4L]

I think people need a reality check or something.

Bashing: It's a piece of crap. I wouldn't spend 20 bucks to buy that thing. Don't get that, it's garbage. All it does is chop paint(yeah old school mag bashing).

opinion: I don't like it, it's ugly.

AO: Didn't see anywhere in the rules that you weren't allowed to state your opinion regardless of moderator status.

My opinion: It's great that someone can come up with a design for a new gun. Yay. I'll stick with my mags, I'll like them better. Kinda to early to judge if it's ugly or not. It could look good. I don't mind stacked tube designs. I think the 6th gen bushies with the x milling look good. Oh well, i guess that's just me.

Some people just take things seriously. By your logic, why don't you stop bashing people for stating their opinions. If someone did it to most of you, you'd bug. "They're trying to censor my opinion" "I have freedom of speach, but they keep deleting what i say", blah blah blah. People just need to chill.

[shartley]

[RamboPreacher]

Originally posted by The Frymarker
Well I was always taught if you don't have anything nice to say it is better off left unsaid.

Now with this in mind I have to say this, I have to hand the Punisher credit. He made something with his own hands, regardless if it works, if it is ugly, if it is too heavy, it is some from which his hands he created and for that I give him kudos. He said he spent months working on it, that is months of thought, work, testing.

Sure anyone can sit back and bash it or give it credit, but only he knows the spoils of his time and creativity.

A lot of people didn't like the Mona Lisa either, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

I understand also what it is liked to have someone bash your work, it hurts because it becomes a part of you, and I vowed I would never bash anyone's work.

To me his work shows a valiant effort and I applaud.

couldn't have said it better. I have had some work done by punisher and other than lack of communication now and again (he seems to be hit with extremely volitile viri more often than others), I think he does great work. Here is the challenge that he has for himself (as I see it). One of the things he says is that he takes on projects that others say can't or won't do. he builds and creats with his own gear and time. and he has a certain amount of satisfaction for doing his work, his way, adn the way he wants to.

I am no airsmith and if I wnat somethign done, I have to get folks like him to do it for me and there are extrememly few that will discuss with me what I want done and help me get to teh result I want. (though I have found that the Frymarker is right there as well as far as projects go, but that is another topic, left for later)

I don't always agree with him or his ways or his communications. I do have a tremendous respect for his work, however. When I first saw that proto on teh guild some time ago; of course the first thing I thought of was that it was just another bushy. then I saw that he hadn't actually copied it, but rather created a new marker. I became more impressed.

It is just a prototype and no matter what I think of JAAC's, JABB's, JAE's and even JAAM's - he has made somethign wiht his own hands, and I only wish I could do that. I laud his effort!

[Thordic]

I never said Phil wasn't entitled to his opinion, I just said his actions and words reflect back upon AO.

If you go back and read his messages over again, he came across as quite a bit more harsh than was needed to convey his opinion. There's a difference between stating your opinion and being harsh, sorry if I'm the only one who sees that distinction. It's often what starts arguements with Sam.

[mykroft]

cphilip:

Don't diss the looks until you've seen one done up. This is a prototype, it ain't never going to be pretty, it ain't meant to be pretty. When Punisher's done a production model, it'll likely be much prettier (And look different).

And Phantom Thread's?? Hehehe.

[The Frymarker]

Okay let me rephrase bash, for opinion.

Yes it is nice to have an opinion but I am sorry that is the way I was brought up, you never open up your mouth if it is something you will regret later.

I also consider people to be a form of artwork. A baby takes nine months to complete until birth. Just as anything you make with your hands, mind and soul.

Would you want someone to say your baby is ugly....um no.

That is why people refer to their pet projects as their "baby". I would never judge unless I wanted to be judged.

Just another food for thought.

[WARPED1]

EM1 springs to mind for me,but I like that type of design.

[shartley]

Originally posted by The Frymarker
Okay let me rephrase bash, for opinion.

Yes it is nice to have an opinion but I am sorry that is the way I was brought up, you never open up your mouth if it is something you will regret later.

I also consider people to be a form of artwork. A baby takes nine months to complete until birth. Just as anything you make with your hands, mind and soul.

Would you want someone to say your baby is ugly....um no.

That is why people refer to their pet projects as their "baby". I would never judge unless I wanted to be judged.

Just another food for thought.

[The Frymarker]

I'm too easy, well your too predicatable.



Shartley I am not going to argue analytical or physcologial when I don't have a degree in either.

I do know this that whenever there is a negative you are always there.

This ladies and gentlemen is where the A personalities are separated with the b.

I try not to have any negative to say....why because who really wants to hear it.

I also don't like to argue...so I'll leave with that