Tom Kaye & "Bad Idea" team members at PSP Press Conference about X-BALL

**cphilip** · 01-14-2003, 02:33 PM

(Neither of those guys is Tom...)

Thanks Bea, but how indeed does one voice his opinion other than being at this meeting I never knew was taking place? A little help here as I am ignorant on this one.

A Press conference does not sound like an open meeting for expression of any players concerns to me nor was I invited to it nor know anything about it. Perhaps you mean get involved in general? Not this specific thing? I am lost if they are connected.

**shartley** · 01-14-2003, 03:48 PM

Originally posted by djbea
Players and Teams - you are the paintball community. Team Bad Idea members Matt and Josh were in attendance to simply FIND OUT WHAT WAS GOING ON WITH THE PSP XBALL Organization.

Get involved outside of the AO Forum as a group and voice your opinion. When something is wrong within the industry and you feel it needs to be changed, GET INVOLVED. Stop complaining about it on forums and voicing it against the parties making the mistakes.

**Miscue** · 01-14-2003, 04:13 PM

"NPPL" belongs to whoever has or can get the rights to it.

The players own it? The players fund it... they are customers... and their opinions are on the level of customer complaints and suggestions... hardly worth the effort to make a plane trip to put your 2 cents into the suggestion box.

For big name people representing the sport of paintball... sure... it could worth their time.

**wimag** · 01-14-2003, 05:49 PM

Bea:
This the same Josh from PB2X??
okay so Tom Kaye was there, be a little more informative and detail who he took sides with. Owners or players.
Put that PB2X journalism talent to work. I; as well as ohers, would probably want to know what went on rather than being accused of sitting on our laurels for not attending a meeting that very FEW of us were informed of to begin with.

**Jonno06** · 01-14-2003, 06:03 PM

Originally posted by wimag
Bea:
This the same Josh from PB2X??
okay so Tom Kaye was there, be a little more informative and detail who he took sides with. Owners or players.
Put that PB2X journalism talent to work. I; as well as ohers, would probably want to know what went on rather than being accused of sitting on our laurels for not attending a meeting that very FEW of us were informed of to begin with.

i agree 110%!

**Tyger** · 01-14-2003, 06:10 PM

If you missed the meeting, Web Dog is hosting an MP3 of the highlights. Including Jerry's take on the NPPL name.

http://www.webdogradio.us/news

Actually, it was refreshing to see PLAYERS There, Bea and others, to at least find out what is going on in the leagues they play.

-Tyger

**cphilip** · 01-14-2003, 06:19 PM

Well I bet it was not only refreshing but a surprise since no one here even seemed to know about it. Did they just stumble into the wrong bar at the right time?

Why do I feel improperly chastized and defensive?

**JEDI** · 01-14-2003, 07:32 PM

Originally posted by cphilip
[B}Why do I feel improperly chastized and defensive?

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I dont know Phil, maybe its your common sense poking through. I'm not taking sides, but I dont know why we insist on driving people certain people away. Bea Youngs is a celebrity like it or not. I for one enjoy having her around.

I'm not saying we should give her free reign to spew a bunch of crap (she doesnt), but lets give her a bit of a break. Phil this isnt a personal attack, but I know you're fairly level headed.

**djbea** · 01-14-2003, 07:38 PM

Absolutely NOT

Thank you for posting...

Yes, it was an open meeting. It was actually really hard to find and I almost felt like although it was an open meeting, they probably didn't want people to go... so I wasn't saying that you should have been there, just saying, stay involved by what you have already proved - that you are the voice.

I never will EVER chastise anyone, reprimand, or scold anyone for not getting involved but ENCOURAGE. You are intelligent people, who have a strong impact through your words of expression about certain issues.

With that energy, I would hope that you would concentrate on joining an organization to help make the industry of paintball take the players more seriously and cater more to the needs and wants of the players.

Please never think I would ever chastise any of you, just want you to realize your voice is strong and that paintball needs you in order to be more respected to a lot of people on the outside world who only stereotype paintball and don't take it as a serious sport as you and I.

And we will be putting the highlights in Pb2x. But, honestly, I attended as a player more than a press rep. and discovered at that meeting that those meetings that are called are open to the public - just wanted you to know. With that said, I just want things to get better for paintball just as much as you do. I am just sharing that with you, thinking that I can, based off the history of this AO forum, and how I admire you all.

And I do realize who the AO Forum is and the people that make it - and respect you all... perhaps you need to realize that and give yourself more credit and not take it as me trying to be offensive to you.

I probably should have added a smiley face to the post, as sometimes, reading the posts I write seem to put people on the defensive...

So sorry, guys, that I have made you frown on my post... I was simply proud of the AO guys I saw at the meeting and seeing Tom there, too, was a delight.

See Tom's picture I took of him at the meeting. He represents the AO forum... and you get involved here, at this forum... just keep getting involved, as you have... just a pat on the back to you all, those of you who have voiced your opinions...

**logamus** · 01-14-2003, 07:45 PM

the problem with posting on the net is you really miss out on the context of whatever the post intends. i dont know bea from adam but i am willing to cut her some slack in that she is not pointing fingers or attacking the ao community just pointing out that this community is large, active and could have quite a voice at meetings. i also think that inorder to do that we should have some relatively easy way to know when and where these meetings are so we can make plans.

maybe i should make sure she doesnt post right infront of me.

**cphilip** · 01-14-2003, 07:49 PM

OK Bea thanks for the explanation. I was just surprised to see anything about it let alone be told I shoulda been there. I see what you MENT to convey and thought you might have ment it that way. But it realy did not come across that way. I agree with that but I would like some notice is all. Someone woulda been there if they had known. I do not think it got any pre-publicity here at all. this was the first we heard about it. Let us know ahead of time next time if you can. We will help out!

To those two of you who commented already I indeed asked that and wanted to know if thats what she MENT to say. You had to take a leap of faith to hold out for that though! And I awaited her answer. Perhaps you should wait till you know as well. I accept her explanation as I has hoped she intended it that way.

**djbea** · 01-14-2003, 07:55 PM

I'D BE CRAZY TO ATTACK THE AO GROUP

Oh, truly, I'd be seriously crazy to attack you all here at the AO Forum... please, you all, I am really trying to make an effort here to help you understand my purpose and my reason for even posting here in the first place...

I don't have to post, I don't have to come here, but I do because I do learn from all of you. I have the utmost respect for other paintballers and care enough to defend you guys.

I want more people to play paintball, I really do want it to be on tv, even in the olympics, because really, it DESERVES it.

Just know this - I LIKE YOU ALL. I really, really DO. I especially like TOM KAYE and AIR GUN DESIGNS history in paintball. Just want to HELP - Key word: HELP.

**yeahthatsme** · 01-14-2003, 07:57 PM

shes alive!!!!

anyways, i agree witcha bea, more people should be aware and step up to deal with these things.

**cphilip** · 01-14-2003, 08:02 PM

NO seriously Bea I was just disapointed we missed an opportunity to help out is all. No intent to kill the messenger at all. I just hated we didn't even know is all.

(did I just end every sentance with "all"? Sheesh!)

Tom Kaye & "Bad Idea" team members at PSP Press Conference about X-BALL

Tom Kaye & "Bad Idea" team members at PSP Press Conference about X-BALL

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