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  • Pstan
    LA-->Lower Alabama
    • Jul 2002
    • 71

    #16
    In thinking about the rules of the game and especially the state of cheating in the game today, one needs to look at some other sports to make a comparison. Most times we look at Baseball or Football etc......but I think a more esoteric sport like Tennis is a better match.


    Ever see those tantrums by John McEnroe back in the day? Ask yourself why he did all that and the answer you will get is that it benefitted his game to do so. Make no mistake, he knew the majority of the calls he argued were made right, but if he could make line judges question themselves, or better yet, scared of him, he felt he'd get more calls. Switch forward in your mind to today. Watch some tennis and you will notice that behavior is not any better. Still the same old bad attitudes, glaring at judges, cussing, throwing stuff, and cry-baby antics.


    Now let's talk Paintball. You should see the parallels already. Players cheat, misbehave........in general act completely terrible because of the reason listed above.........they have a firm belief it benefits them to do so. And frankly, the way things are now it does.


    Why hasnt anything been done about it? Why is it unlikely that anything WILL be done about it? In the final analysis, it's the players themselves that will have to make the rules changes because they are the people that will be left to follow them. And though they might exclaim loudly that "something needs to be done", if you could magically put them all in a room to fix this mess they would all drop whatever team hatred for each other they had and band together to say that "nothings wrong with the rules...it's just the refs". They would band together to keep things the same because all believe secretly that they benefit more from the bad behaviour, loose rules, and silly crap than they ever would from a rigidly controlled fair game.


    It all comes down the Human Element. And the game will only get fairer the closer we come to removing the human element from the judging and playing of it. All Pro tennis could be judged using cameras instead of line judges. Why isnt it that way? The players dont want it and the powers that be see too much human element removed in a game with no one to cuss. The same can be said for paintball.


    I think a discussion needs to be started about how we can use technology to fairly judge the game and take the Human Element, and human error, out. That's the key..... that's where the answer lies. A system that puts the minimum amount of pressure on the minimum amount of judges per game that can electronically, or otherwise, render a player out of the game with no one to blame but himself/herself and the other team.


    So, who is Bill Cookston? Well, he's just a guy that is easy to blame things on! I mean come on people......you know you lost because of him... right?.......Ray Charles could have seen you shoot that guy! I hit that guy ref.......check him!!! You're out Dude......what are these people doing!!!!!!!.......and on and on and on it goes.................LOL.

    Get the picture?


    P

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    • shartley
      paintball player
      • Mar 2001
      • 9169

      #17
      New York, August 28, 2001 -- After a series of unsuccessful negotiations, the NFL locked out its referees in the first such labor incident in the league since a 1987 player strike. Replacement referees began working August 29. The dispute between the league and the NFL Referees Association (NFLRA) may likely continue into the regular season.

      The lockout resulted after two days of negotiations in Dallas that ended in a deadlock. NFL Commissioner Paul Tagliabue met with NFLRA chief negotiator Tom Condon for four hours on August 27 and over two hours on August 28, but the two did not near an agreement.

      The dispute began in March when the referees' previous labor agreement expired. The NFLRA is seeking a salary increase of 400 percent over its current rates. Salaries now range from $21,000 to $69,000 per year. The NFL is willing to offer a 40 percent increase for the next season and a cumulative 100 percent increase by 2003. The NFL considers the referees part-time employees, but the NFLRA argues that referees often log over 2,000 work hours per year. Full-time officials in the NBA, NHL, and Major League Baseball earn up to $235,000 per year.

      According to the Miami Herald, Tagliabue "conferred with" New York Giants co-owner Wellington Mara, Clevleand Browns President Carmen Policy, Denver Broncos Owner Pat Bowlen, Pittsburgh Steelers President Dan Rooney, Cincinnati Bengal President Mike Brown, Carolina Panthers Owner Jerry Richardson and Kansas City Chiefs Owner Lamar Hunt before locking out the referees. One hundred twenty replacement referees were called in from college football, the Arena Football League, and NFL Europe. The replacements were offered a $4,000 salary for two games. Tagliabue said the league has "a duty to out fans and teams, and we cannot go into the regular season with the threat of a sudden work stoppage by our game officials," according to the Washington Times. No further negotiations are scheduled for this week.

      Sources:
      Ethan Skolnick, "NFL Locks Out Its Officials," Miami Herald, 8/29
      Eric Fisher, "NFL's Official Lockout Begins," The Washington Times, 8/29

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      • cledford
        Registered User
        • Feb 2001
        • 1386

        #18
        Originally posted by Pstan
        In thinking about the rules of the game and especially the state of cheating in the game today, one needs to look at some other sports to make a comparison. Most times we look at Baseball or Football etc......but I think a more esoteric sport like Tennis is a better match.


        Ever see those tantrums by John McEnroe back in the day? Ask yourself why he did all that and the answer you will get is that it benefitted his game to do so. Make no mistake, he knew the majority of the calls he argued were made right, but if he could make line judges question themselves, or better yet, scared of him, he felt he'd get more calls. Switch forward in your mind to today. Watch some tennis and you will notice that behavior is not any better. Still the same old bad attitudes, glaring at judges, cussing, throwing stuff, and cry-baby antics.


        Now let's talk Paintball. You should see the parallels already. Players cheat, misbehave........in general act completely terrible because of the reason listed above.........they have a firm belief it benefits them to do so. And frankly, the way things are now it does.


        Why hasnt anything been done about it? Why is it unlikely that anything WILL be done about it? In the final analysis, it's the players themselves that will have to make the rules changes because they are the people that will be left to follow them. And though they might exclaim loudly that "something needs to be done", if you could magically put them all in a room to fix this mess they would all drop whatever team hatred for each other they had and band together to say that "nothings wrong with the rules...it's just the refs". They would band together to keep things the same because all believe secretly that they benefit more from the bad behaviour, loose rules, and silly crap than they ever would from a rigidly controlled fair game.


        It all comes down the Human Element. And the game will only get fairer the closer we come to removing the human element from the judging and playing of it. All Pro tennis could be judged using cameras instead of line judges. Why isnt it that way? The players dont want it and the powers that be see too much human element removed in a game with no one to cuss. The same can be said for paintball.


        I think a discussion needs to be started about how we can use technology to fairly judge the game and take the Human Element, and human error, out. That's the key..... that's where the answer lies. A system that puts the minimum amount of pressure on the minimum amount of judges per game that can electronically, or otherwise, render a player out of the game with no one to blame but himself/herself and the other team.


        So, who is Bill Cookston? Well, he's just a guy that is easy to blame things on! I mean come on people......you know you lost because of him... right?.......Ray Charles could have seen you shoot that guy! I hit that guy ref.......check him!!! You're out Dude......what are these people doing!!!!!!!.......and on and on and on it goes.................LOL.

        Get the picture?


        P
        Great post.

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        • QUINCYMASSGUY
          Registered User
          • Dec 2002
          • 914

          #19
          good post

          Great post, very well put. Most times the reason refs miss calls or refuse to change a call is because so much of the time it's a cheating player trying to pull something and whining to get their way even if it's wrong, not because they're bad refs or partial. I saw a guy on Dynasty playing against Aftershock and get blasted square in the mask and keep playing, and when the ref held him because he just kept going and shooting at the other team, the whole team was shocked including him. Why? They knew why the ref did it and you know he felt that shot. They were being whiny little punks. So the ref was busy enforcing the rules there and couldn't enforce it elsewhere.

          If so many players wouldn't act like immature babies or think they should win even if it's by breaking rules, then they are contributing to this problem. The more players try to pull stuff including using illegal equipment or equipment that tries to bend safety rules, the tougher Cookston has to be to everybody to prevent it. Players have only themselves to blame for this. Bill can't watch all refs and does far more good than most people in his position would. You put the average paintball player in his position, the league would be corrupt and a joke in a year. Bill is handling those players who can't handle losing and are sinking the game for their own egos as best as anyone in his role can. It doesn't matter what his history is, it's almost better if he never played because he never picked up the bad cheating habits so many teams have. He loves the game and is doing what he can to stop cheating, but the continued presence of arrogant losers that have chosen to play this game and are ruining it for the rest of us who love it for the game and not the prestige are making it a big job for him that he is forced to handle more aggressively than he probably would wish to.
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          • billmi
            Tech Editor - WARPIG.com
            • May 2001
            • 810

            #20
            Really good post, Tom.

            Also, it should be noted, that PRO was started by Bill Cookston. Funding for that formation was taken from WDP's sponsorship of the NPPL series in 2002. There have been some disagreements between various parties as to whether this meant that WDP helped found PRO, and thus has say in its future, or whether they paid for and got the exposure of NPPL series sponsorship, and that funding was used for PRO thus giving them no claim in it's foundation and current ownership.

            The name NPPL is tricky right now, since two parties both claim to be its rightfull owner one group is NPPL, Inc. and one group is Paintball Sports Promotions. PRO is providing referees for PSP's events this year, and unless the situation has changed from when I last discussed the issue woth Cookston a few weeks back, he will not be presiding as ultimate judge at NPPL, Inc. events.

            Also, it was mentioned that refs should get there share of the $100 a case tournament paint - NPPL events have been since their inception, BYOP events. On site paint sales at NPPL events has seen pricing as low as $20 to $30 a case (for low end paint, obviously) and while products can only be sold on site by event or series sponsors, there was not a per case profit or surcharge going to the league or event promoters.


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            • hitech
              Not a shedder of vortices
              • Nov 2001
              • 4775

              #21
              Part Time Refs

              I don't personally think that paintball is ready for refs. that earn enough to make a living from reffing. Paintball is certainly ready to pay their expenses.
              Last edited by hitech; 01-17-2003, 05:37 PM.


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              • Muzikman
                Everything AGD
                • Dec 2000
                • 6229

                #22
                I agree with HiTech. There is no way that paintball could afford to have full time pro reffs. But the part time, paid expenses and maybe a small per game pay might be do able. I have been trying to think of a reason to make all the big events and not play them, maybe this is my ticket, or maybe Warpig could hire me

                Also, since everyone in here has been talking about NPPL I will point out the WPF ref program. Though it has some weak spots, it was the first to make a step in the right direction. All I can say about the WPF is that when the ran Skyball in (I think it was 2001) it ran smooth and everyone you talk to that played the event that year and years previous said that they where shocked at how well it went. I guess what I am getting at is, as big as NPPL / PSP is, people should keep and eye out for WPF events.

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                • shartley
                  paintball player
                  • Mar 2001
                  • 9169

                  #23

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                  • Jonesie
                    All Around Good Guy
                    • Oct 2002
                    • 1123

                    #24
                    Originally posted by shartley
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                    • Jonesie
                      All Around Good Guy
                      • Oct 2002
                      • 1123

                      #25
                      Originally posted by billmi
                      Also, it was mentioned that refs should get there share of the $100 a case tournament paint - NPPL events have been since their inception, BYOP events. On site paint sales at NPPL events has seen pricing as low as $20 to $30 a case (for low end paint, obviously) and while products can only be sold on site by event or series sponsors, there was not a per case profit or surcharge going to the league or event promoters.

                      See you on the field,
                      -Bill Mills
                      Sorry Bill, this is where my lack of tournament experience shows. Every tournament I've seen details about (all local) were requiring FPO @ ~ $100/case. That's my bad. I still believe that Refs shoudl get some of the FAT cut that the industry is getting.

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                      • Troy
                        Registered User
                        • Apr 2002
                        • 246

                        #26
                        The refs got $100 a day in the past, but i don't know what it is now.
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                        • PsychoBaller
                          Gone are my SFL days...
                          • Nov 2000
                          • 1952

                          #27
                          Aye Carumba......

                          Paintball Politics......someones got to be in charge... and the person that is always gets criticism.....

                          I just play..........

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                          • 50 cal
                            The evil voices win today
                            • Nov 2000
                            • 960

                            #28
                            If you want to win bad enough....just whine like a baby and kick and scream that you will never come back to one of (whoever he is officiating for) tournaments, and if your team is popular enough, he will make a call that you are happy with.

                            sign me,
                            Not a team member that was done wrong, but a ref that had waaaay to many calls overturned by Cookston because his buds were on the short end of the stick by one of my calls.

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                            • Kevmaster
                              Owners Group Div: Director
                              • Oct 2001
                              • 5475

                              #29
                              Ive been the ultimate judge for a tournament a couple of times. It is not a fun job, but it is a necessary job. You have to stay off the field and let your field refs do the job, but when someone gets pissed at the call, they come to YOU to make a ruling on a call you didnt see. This puts you in a very, very, rough position with almost no ability at all. You cant watch EVERY game on 3 fields! You 95% of the time have to take the head ref's words as to what happened, but then the guy who complains feels he gets nowhere because the head ref is on a team at the hosting field!


                              Theres no glory in an ultimate judge. Its a tiresome and under-respected job. Someone has to do it, and that person will have my respect in whatever event i play.

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                              • the123
                                JJ's Master
                                • May 2001
                                • 736

                                #30
                                All this talk about his responsibilities and no one knows what Bill Cookston did to end up with the job of Ultimate Judge. What is his background? Why was HE chosen instead of someone else? I heard that he, "Cookie", used to sell paint at the OLD Challenge Park field, before it was CPX. Anyone know???

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