Would you buy a smaller Warp?

[WaRBladE]

You are all worried about weight issues... ?!?!


My gun had a 12 in. Stainless Steel Dye last summer with a 88 CI tank...Now I upgraded to a 16 in. Aluminum freak at the end of last summer that weighs less and is more accurate.

:)


(Still is kinda heavy...2 hands to fire )

[Paintmanmike]

Obviously smaller and lighter are always better but I just do not see how it fits in the rec game.

[AGD]

Unfortunately making warps is not like making regular paintball stuff. As you can see its made from injection molded parts. There are about 12 different molds to make the thing so it is a HUGE investment in both time and money.

Unless it became a huge hit it is not possible to invest in more tooling to make it smaller. People would continue to say things that they have always said about not being able to shoot out the left etc.

We cant just machine up a few and see how they go. We have to make injection molds with the idea of selling 10's of thousands of parts. Think about it, if the warp did not exist and I posted a warp prototype in the forum today how do you think you would respond? I look for a 90% we like it response before we go into production. The roller trigger certainly didn't get 90% and I seriously doubt the warp concept would fly even here.

The Warp represents the end of an era in paintball where you just see wild, radical stuff appearing on the market. It's too expensive and players are too picky now about what they want. Look around, you will see that 99% of products today are a new version of an old idea.

AGD

[magking1971]

/crys

[sneakyhacker420]

i see now... i used to love my warp, but now i like my mag without it, and the warp is going to go onto my spyder now... but i am very satisfied with it... what i really want to see is an AGD made hopper like a revvy or ricochet... but something better... and different, not as extreme as the halo, but something capable of around 16-17bps just as a regular hopper

what do you guys say to that? an AGD made adgitating hopper?

[LaW]

Originally posted by AGD
Unfortunately making warps is not like making regular paintball stuff. As you can see its made from injection molded parts. There are about 12 different molds to make the thing so it is a HUGE investment in both time and money.

Unless it became a huge hit it is not possible to invest in more tooling to make it smaller. People would continue to say things that they have always said about not being able to shoot out the left etc.

We cant just machine up a few and see how they go. We have to make injection molds with the idea of selling 10's of thousands of parts. Think about it, if the warp did not exist and I posted a warp prototype in the forum today how do you think you would respond? I look for a 90% we like it response before we go into production. The roller trigger certainly didn't get 90% and I seriously doubt the warp concept would fly even here.

The Warp represents the end of an era in paintball where you just see wild, radical stuff appearing on the market. It's too expensive and players are too picky now about what they want. Look around, you will see that 99% of products today are a new version of an old idea.

AGD

Well said by the man with the answers My take on the warp is that it was a big hit idea for a lot of people first using it. Then once they got settled, it was a love/hate relationship from then on out.

After about 1.5 years with a warp I have just decided to not use it during regular play anymore just because of...

1) the weight 2) i am getting more sloppy playing with it for some reason 3) its just getting phased out it seems.... I will still use it during Big games and scenarios but not for much else.

The things I will miss is the lower profile, and shooting out the left was great for me and the feed rate....

What i wont miss is the huge thing on the side of my marker, the weight, the bulky'ness of it... It seemed as though my setup just was huge and so with a norise it will be much more mobiler persay

On a final thought, one of the best ideas in paintball!!!! I think if only it could have adapted better to my playing style ( I did give it a year, I gave it a chance... only played about 5 months out of that 1.5 years i had it though)

[luke]

Originally posted by sneakyhacker420
what i really want to see is an AGD made hopper like a revvy or ricochet... but something better... and different,

Tom has already designed a hopper and holds a patent on it. He said he would probably never market it...........

[TheGreyMage]

the concept of the warp requires much refinement in my minds eye. i think the idea is reverlutionary, and even though i did not like the idea at first and thought it rather unesesary, i have started to warm to the idea of it. i have shot a mag with one on, but found the actual size not the weight to be the most comberson problem with the product. i also found that my friends mag was not set up as comfortably as i would have liked, with a z-grip and crssfire screw in tank rught under the frame. i found the warp to get in the way of my second hand, and had a bit of trouble placing it. a smaller warp that fits very close and perhaps a little bit farther forward would remedy much of this problem.

[Patron God of Pirates]

What we need is the Whopper

[hitmanng]

The problem with the warp is very much the same problem that the z-grip had. Too much too fast. The z-grip was weird but look at the new angel IR3. They are getting there but slower. Look at the tipman A5 and the concept on the Omen. They are kind of like little warps built in. Force feed concept. The first time I saw a warp on a gun I thought how can you hold that. The first time I held it is was like man this is heavy. The first time I played against one I thought man that guy can play tight. Then I flanked him and hit him in the side of the head. The warp may or may not eventially go mainstream. I doubt it ever will due to it's current weight and size. People are all about shaving a few pounds off here and there and with the new force feed loaders the speed issue the warp used to give you is gone. I just don't feel the need to shoot more than a few balls sidways and my halo gives me that. I do not have enough hopper hits to justify a warp as that in my mind is its practical advantage. Well, that and apparently looking at a girls jugs, but that is a whole other issue.
Smaller may be better but now is not the right time for that kind of investment. AGD is changing their image simply look at an old magazine and a new one. A mag used to be a grey tube. Now look at an SFL or X-mag or even a modular or a slug body. AGD is coming into thier time. One day we may all be shooting roller z-grips with warps but the world is not ready for that yet.
Hitmanng

[FooTemps]

I'd love a smaller and lighter warp... it's just that price is a big issue for me. Maybe if AGD showed it off at an event and sat back and watched the response to it. If it was extremely good would AGD consider producing it?

[PsychoBaller]

Word....

I'm finally leaning towards a warp...... but I agree..... gots to be smaller/lighter.... or sumtin.... for now I'm searching for a used Red one.

~da baller

[NiteWolf1138]

Warped Ideas

I have what I consider the perfect warp design.... but I don't have CAD or any way to draw it out . What do I do?

NiteWolf1138

[WARPED1]

I'd buy one in a heart beat. It would be great, 5x5!

[nuclear zombie]

I think that AGD should make a hopper/warp where it is all one assembly that uses just one motor and one set of batteries. For us who want/play with a warp and want something lighter it would sell and until it reaches this stage I doubt you will see many proteams using them.

I know that AGD would sell at least 200 of them if they were made . :)