Brass Eagle announces settlement of Odyssey lawsuit

[Timmee]

Well, I think that my Halo and my Revys can peacefully coexist in my gear bag, so I'm keeping them. And while many of you hate BE (for it's business practices, it's quality control, etc), I feel that they offer a good product for their cost. Can a Stingray compete in BPS against an Angel/Intimidator/Bushmaster/....? No, but can the Angel/Intimidator/Bushmaster/... toting player be eliminated by the person carrying the Stingray? Definitely! Can a Revy feed paintballs faster than a Halo? No, but it definitely beats a non-motorized hopper.

Many people keep trying to demand the performance of the Halo out of Revy's , but what they forget is they are approximately half (maybe a little more or less, depending on where you buy each) of the Halo's price. It's a simple matter of performance (Halo) vs. cost (Revy). I'll be picking up a Halo B soon though (to keep my Halo A from feeling outnumbered), so don't feel as though I'm dumping on Halos.

I'm glad to hear the suit was settled, now everyone focus on the important thing: playing paintball!

[shartley]

Originally posted by Timmee
I'm glad to hear the suit was settled, now everyone focus on the important thing: playing paintball!

...... could not agree more.

[Kevmaster]

Ok...let me rephrase that....

BE patented an item. Another similar item was made. BE felt that infringed on their intellectual property. BE took them to court. BE/Odyssey settled it before it got that far.



Manike, I got that from a personal conversation with an E Business Analyst(who acts as a liason --approved by the upper execs-- to the BEOG) of theres and it was confrimed by their head of R&D (id be happy to PM you the names)

you can see that EBiz Analysts' post restating this on the Brass Eagle Owners Group forums Here



sorry about the confusion. Ill see if thats been published anywhere

[Kevmaster]

Oh...and those of you questioning BE...If you wnat a company to support thats gunna be around in 10 years...choose BE...$104 MILLION in Gross revenue last year...over $8 MILLION in NET PROFITS

Just a little FYI...

[speeddemon]

http://www.odysseypaintball.com/halob.html

Just wondering, but isnt it a little odd that odyssey got a patent on the halo. I don't know what exactly they patented, but it seems kind of odd that they would issue a patent on a product that is supposedly infringing on another patent. Oh well, just something else to think about.

[Snake847]

If any of you slow people don't know BE owns Viewloader and viewloader makes evolution II which On the PBgear site says to have better feed rate than the Halo all though I think ia 1 or 2 PBS slower because I owned a Halo and own a Evo II.

[Kevmaster]

In my experience...my HALO B will not feed fast enough for my old EMag and i was shooting ~14bps. Ive used my eggo to 14 FA on my Rainmaker....so for practical purposes they feed just as fast if you ask me

[cphilip]

Musta been something wrong with that one Kev. Mine will keep up with 20 BPS no problem.

[Kevmaster]

yeh, i dunno phil

i got the eggo free...so i cant bash BE too hard (BE does seem to like me...Free Eggo...Free JT 5.0...)

[Kneedragger]

Originally posted by shartley

No, technically, my statement is right. We are discussing the facts of a leagal case. This is a civil case. In other words, it's up to the judge to make that determination. Until he does, it's all opinion, and completely meaningless. So by law, it mens that NOTHING HAPPENED.

Your examples are criminal acts, criminal law is completely different, but the the same basic reasoning still goes. By law, a person is still not guilty until judged so. I'm no lawyer, but I'm pretty sure criminal cases aren't "settled". There may be lesser charges accepted, or even cases dismissed.

The press release is what it is. A simple statement agreed upon by both parties. There no longer is a law suit. So it's really pointless to argue about the merits of the case since there is no case.

[Kneedragger]

Originally posted by Kevmaster
Ok...let me rephrase that....

BE patented an item. Another similar item was made. BE felt that infringed on their intellectual property. BE took them to court. BE/Odyssey settled it before it got that far.

There you go. You got it right.

[shartley]

Originally posted by Kneedragger
No, technically, my statement is right. We are discussing the facts of a leagal case. This is a civil case. In other words, it's up to the judge to make that determination. Until he does, it's all opinion, and completely meaningless. So by law, it mens that NOTHING HAPPENED.

Your examples are criminal acts, criminal law is completely different, but the the same basic reasoning still goes. By law, a person is still not guilty until judged so. I'm no lawyer, but I'm pretty sure criminal cases aren't "settled". There may be lesser charges accepted, or even cases dismissed.

The press release is what it is. A simple statement agreed upon by both parties. There no longer is a law suit. So it's really pointless to argue about the merits of the case since there is no case.

[Kneedragger]

Originally posted by shartley

There's a flaw in your reasoning. Everything you use as an argument includes actual physical damage. In patent infringement cases, the only damages that could occur is loss of revenue as a result of the infringing company taking business away from the infringed company. There is no damage unless it can be proven that infingement took place. If there's no ruling of infringment, then how can there be any damage? It's pretty much all supposition and opinion. My statement is correct. Without a ruling of infringement, there is no damage, therefore..... NOTHING HAPPENED. It's the same as if the case had never been brought up.

[Kevmaster]

i agree, knee. Thats the exact reason BE "reserved the right to pursue this matter again"....right now, in the eyes of the court, no crime has been committed

[shartley]

Originally posted by Kneedragger
There's a flaw in your reasoning. Everything you use as an argument includes actual physical damage. In patent infringement cases, the only damages that could occur is loss of revenue as a result of the infringing company taking business away from the infringed company. There is no damage unless it can be proven that infingement took place. If there's no ruling of infringment, then how can there be any damage? It's pretty much all supposition and opinion. My statement is correct. Without a ruling of infringement, there is no damage, therefore..... NOTHING HAPPENED. It's the same as if the case had never been brought up.