Modified Paintball (Terry Harvey) files for Chapter 13

[shartley]

he upped a two year old thread to tell jack and coke off?

[Ole Unka Phil]

Since I am no longer in the Admin and all that here I can speak a bit more freely about this than I could way back then.


At one point Tunaman and Don were in business together. Actualy Tuna was doing all, or most, or the work for him... pretty much. Tuna had many dealership accounts with various Paintball companies that Don needed. And Tuna allowed Don to take out the AGD dealership in his name and supply him with AGD stuff. So it was a cooperative deal. Tuna was supplying Don with his line at cost and Don was to supply Tuna with AGD stuff at cost. Or so it was SUPPOSED to be.

Turns out Don made Level 3 dealership and lied to Tuna about it and continued to charge Tuna an additional 10% on all his stuff. All the while indicating thats what he was paying for it. Don had this going for almost a year. Kept telling Tuna he was hoping to get level 3 any time now. Never told Tuna he had it. Continued to take his money while continuring to get stuff from Tuna for Tuna's cost. It was accidentaly discovered that Tuna was not getting his stuff at cost. They were partners and he was excluded.

Inadvertenly it was me that told Tuna this. I found out accidentaly when I had a missordered marker from AGD that I knew Tuna needed to fill an order. So I offered to pass it along to Tuna for my cost. Level 3. And Tuna was suprised when I told him what to pay me. He and I then put two and two together. Tuna had a price list but it was not the right level. Don had given him only level 1 prices. The cat was out of the bag. Accidentaly mind you.

Don complained to AGD that "another dealer" was divuldging costs. Don knew it was me. And I got a call. I said Hell yea I told Tuna! And I explained how it happened. And I was furious that the guy would screw his partner and then complain when he got caught! I immediately pointed out that I was talking to another dealer when I shared that cost. And it was all a big mess for a little while. But it was well known at the time that the Dealership was both Don and Tuna's at the time. And Don got caught screwing his partner that was, in fact, doing almost all the work. Shipping and filling orders. Thats a good example of how Don realy is. Now shortly after this was discovered Tuna severed all ties with Don. And was awarded his own dealership over it all. And continures to be the top seller (most times) for AGD.

Don then went downhill fast it appears now. And was starting to falter on delivery near the end from what I can tell. This was at least 3 or 4 months after Tuna had left the partnership it now appears to me. Rumor has it that Don then tried to scramble around and avoid losing his house. He had mortgaged things to the hilt as I hear it. And he sold the business but continued to deny here that was no longer in on it. I saw a few posts here to that effect. But he quickly quit doing that too I believe, from what I can see now, that he left his new partner with lapsed orders and no money for them. It was told to me that he did not divuldge the true situation to the buyer of the business. Who quickly was overwelmed with your backorders and no operational moneys to cover them and now has had to file chapter 13. It was my understanding that this guy had no idea about all your stuff when he got into this. And was taken for a ride as well. And Don dropped out of site.

At least this is what I know and what I am told. I am fairly certain it's mostly accurate. But I leave it up to you to decide. Most of this we are deducing from things we are being told after the fact. I believes its ,for the most part, accurate or at least a decent summary.

[Jack & Coke]

wow, interesting story. Thanks for sharing!

[nt2004]

oh I didnt read the username very closely. My bad

[Ole Unka Phil]

wow, interesting story. Thanks for sharing!

I figured you deserved to know. I might have some time lines and a few details slightly out of sink but for the most part it's what I recall of the whole mess.

This was one of many things I have seen in the paintball business that turned me off from it all. It's a dirty business. There are a few good apples though. Know who they are!

[Ole Unka Phil]

Oh most definately not the G/F. But I do not have my powers anymore to figure it out. Most likely someone wanting to stir up old stuff out of frustration.


Hows it going Sam? Hope you and yours are doing well.


And yea.... you can say that again!

[shartley]

Oh most definately not the G/F. But I do not have my powers anymore to figure it out. Most likely someone wanting to stir up old stuff out of frustration.

Hows it going Sam? Hope you and yours are doing well.

And yea.... you can say that again!

[Tunaman]

Since I am no longer in the Admin and all that here I can speak a bit more freely about this than I could way back then.


At one point Tunaman and Don were in business together. Actualy Tuna was doing all, or most, or the work for him... pretty much. Tuna had many dealership accounts with various Paintball companies that Don needed. And Tuna allowed Don to take out the AGD dealership in his name and supply him with AGD stuff. So it was a cooperative deal. Tuna was supplying Don with his line at cost and Don was to supply Tuna with AGD stuff at cost. Or so it was SUPPOSED to be.

Turns out Don made Level 3 dealership and lied to Tuna about it and continued to charge Tuna an additional 10% on all his stuff. All the while indicating thats what he was paying for it. Don had this going for almost a year. Kept telling Tuna he was hoping to get level 3 any time now. Never told Tuna he had it. Continued to take his money while continuring to get stuff from Tuna for Tuna's cost. It was accidentaly discovered that Tuna was not getting his stuff at cost. They were partners and he was excluded.

Inadvertenly it was me that told Tuna this. I found out accidentaly when I had a missordered marker from AGD that I knew Tuna needed to fill an order. So I offered to pass it along to Tuna for my cost. Level 3. And Tuna was suprised when I told him what to pay me. He and I then put two and two together. Tuna had a price list but it was not the right level. Don had given him only level 1 prices. The cat was out of the bag. Accidentaly mind you.

Don complained to AGD that "another dealer" was divuldging costs. Don knew it was me. And I got a call. I said Hell yea I told Tuna! And I explained how it happened. And I was furious that the guy would screw his partner and then complain when he got caught! I immediately pointed out that I was talking to another dealer when I shared that cost. And it was all a big mess for a little while. But it was well known at the time that the Dealership was both Don and Tuna's at the time. And Don got caught screwing his partner that was, in fact, doing almost all the work. Shipping and filling orders. Thats a good example of how Don realy is. Now shortly after this was discovered Tuna severed all ties with Don. And was awarded his own dealership over it all. And continures to be the top seller (most times) for AGD.

Don then went downhill fast it appears now. And was starting to falter on delivery near the end from what I can tell. This was at least 3 or 4 months after Tuna had left the partnership it now appears to me. Rumor has it that Don then tried to scramble around and avoid losing his house. He had mortgaged things to the hilt as I hear it. And he sold the business but continued to deny here that was no longer in on it. I saw a few posts here to that effect. But he quickly quit doing that too I believe, from what I can see now, that he left his new partner with lapsed orders and no money for them. It was told to me that he did not divuldge the true situation to the buyer of the business. Who quickly was overwelmed with your backorders and no operational moneys to cover them and now has had to file chapter 13. It was my understanding that this guy had no idea about all your stuff when he got into this. And was taken for a ride as well. And Don dropped out of site.

At least this is what I know and what I am told. I am fairly certain it's mostly accurate. But I leave it up to you to decide. Most of this we are deducing from things we are being told after the fact. I believes its ,for the most part, accurate or at least a decent summary.

Actually, We were NEVER in business together. WE were swapping parts...thats about it. No partnership ever materialized in any way shape or form. And boy am glad .

[Ole Unka Phil]

Actually, We were NEVER in business together. WE were swapping parts...thats about it. No partnership ever materialized in any way shape or form. And boy am glad .

I stand corrected. But still... it was a Gentelmans agreement they worked under and Tuna got crapped on. And he got screwed in the process in it all just like people did here after that point. So it's, for the most part, as I layed it out. I knew tuna would set it straight so I emailed this link to him so he would see it and comment. Because I did not want to portray it wrongly. And he has indeed clarified the situation.

But also remember that since I am no longer a Mod/Admin... I can speak more freely. He cannot. And I respect that.

[Bulldog]

Heh. I amlost pre-ordered my x mag from don.