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  • Smokee_2_7
    Registered User
    • Nov 2000
    • 823

    #1

    Lvl 10 spring shatters, shuts gun down during MGO

    I know that many people may want to say that this belongs exclusivly in the tech forum, but since it is a Level 10 problem that I have not heard of yet, I am posting the story and pictures here as well.

    First off, I have found that murphy's law hit me and everyone else on the team up somthing feirce this past weekend. The only guns on the team that DID NOT go down at least once were the mags, with the exception of mine.

    That being said, here's what happened. Sunday morning we are getting ready to play our final games, and i gas my gun up to check and make sure that everything is fine. I played 6 games the day before, with no problems at all. Chrono readings were right where I wanted them- - 295ish.

    after checking velocity with the handheld, i turned my powerfeed plug off, and pulled the trigger to fire the last ball out of the chamber. The gun fired, and then there was a 'click' noise followed by a kinda slow venting sound. Trigger had tension, but NO firing. With 15 minutes to go before game time, I set it in my gear bag and grabed a backup.

    10 minutes ago I took the valve out for the first time since it went down. The middle spring I was using had broken about a coil up from the bottom. the broken peice was still on the bolt, kind of tangeled up with the rest of the spring. Obviously, this was causing the gun not to fire.


    The thing that just boggles me over the whole incident is WHY?? I shoot more paint in a day of practice than I did in the whole tournamnent!! The marker was cleaned and maintained beautifully! Oh well, as I mentioned before, Murphy's law had kicked almost everyone else in the teeth, so it was my turn, I guess.

    At any rate, I have taken pictures of this whole thing, and am getting them developed tomorrow. Will have them scanned and posted by tomorrow afternoon sometime. Will also be calling AGD on this one.


    Anyone else had or heard of a bolt spring simply snapping?




    Carl
  • LaW
    Why play?
    • Oct 2000
    • 3124

    #2
    Re: Lvl 10 spring shatters, shuts gun down during MGO

    Originally posted by Smokee_2_7
    I know that many people may want to say that this belongs exclusivly in the tech forum, but since it is a Level 10 problem that I have not heard of yet, I am posting the story and pictures here as well.

    First off, I have found that murphy's law hit me and everyone else on the team up somthing feirce this past weekend. The only guns on the team that DID NOT go down at least once were the mags, with the exception of mine.

    That being said, here's what happened. Sunday morning we are getting ready to play our final games, and i gas my gun up to check and make sure that everything is fine. I played 6 games the day before, with no problems at all. Chrono readings were right where I wanted them- - 295ish.

    after checking velocity with the handheld, i turned my powerfeed plug off, and pulled the trigger to fire the last ball out of the chamber. The gun fired, and then there was a 'click' noise followed by a kinda slow venting sound. Trigger had tension, but NO firing. With 15 minutes to go before game time, I set it in my gear bag and grabed a backup.

    10 minutes ago I took the valve out for the first time since it went down. The middle spring I was using had broken about a coil up from the bottom. the broken peice was still on the bolt, kind of tangeled up with the rest of the spring. Obviously, this was causing the gun not to fire.


    The thing that just boggles me over the whole incident is WHY?? I shoot more paint in a day of practice than I did in the whole tournamnent!! The marker was cleaned and maintained beautifully! Oh well, as I mentioned before, Murphy's law had kicked almost everyone else in the teeth, so it was my turn, I guess.

    At any rate, I have taken pictures of this whole thing, and am getting them developed tomorrow. Will have them scanned and posted by tomorrow afternoon sometime. Will also be calling AGD on this one.


    Anyone else had or heard of a bolt spring simply snapping?




    Carl
    I have heard of this happen before with the middle spring, not sure the exact reasons... probably since a coil is cut off of it already?
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    • Smokee_2_7
      Registered User
      • Nov 2000
      • 823

      #3
      that's a good possibility. I would be interested in the number of cases where this has happened, and wether or not it warrants AGD manufacturing a middle legnth spring instead of cutting the long one.

      Sigh.. . what's really ironic is that I kinda brought this on my self. On of my teamates had me set him up with an x-valve the week before. I installed it, and found that he had a bad reg. piston. AGD had me cross-ship, hopefully in time for MGO. Well, the piston didnt arrive.

      To help him out (he had terrrrrible chopping issues before the x-valve/ lvl 10) I put MY reg piston in his gun, and used an old one of mine- - - I could make it fire ok with the middle spring, but not the long one. AND, i wound up chopping a couple balls because of it. . and the spring broke.

      lol. . . I have 2 retromags w/ lvl 10. my main one is the one that i 'sacrificed' (i know that wasnt too bright) My backup I lent to another teamate who got his NON retro, NON lvl 10 mag sooo muddy on the dye snake. . . I said here. . this one is faster for you, clean yours later. That gun never skipped a beat. The gun that I botched my parts into never skipped a beat- - its the one being held in the FON picture of my teamate in the DYE muddy gras field thread. . .


      Sometimes it sucks being the guy that has triple of everything, and is nice enough to fix your new toys at the expense of his. . . At least both of them loved the guns all through the tourney, and one is having me pre-order an x-mag for him tomorrow. . .




      Carl

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      • Army
        Moderator of DOOOOOOOOMMM!

        • Oct 2000
        • 5785

        #4
        Flat springs, like the 'Mag uses, are extruded instead of drawn, like regular round wire springs. The extrusion process can be perfectly controlled for length, thickness, and hardness. Flat springs can normally compress all the way down to itself, with no stress to its "springyness". Round wire springs have a tendancy to fold over itself and kink, destroying symetry.

        The extruding process must be closely watched, to assure that no gaps or thin spots occur that would weaken the structure after it has been wound around the mandrel. Annealing is also critical; too soft and you lose all resilience. Too hard, and the metal becomes too brittle.

        I'm guessing that your spring was one in a million, that had a thin spot. The stress of repeated firing simply "work hardened" the weak spot, and it let go.

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        • AGD
          The man from AGD

          • Oct 2000
          • 5916

          #5
          We have had a few break but most of the time the gun continues to shoot fine. I think you had a broken spring for a while and thats why you chopped the balls. The broken spring acts like a short spring. We will be making middle length springs in the future.

          AGD
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          • spacemanspiff
            A.K.A. (Spacewang)
            • Nov 2001
            • 587

            #6
            Yeah I had my middle spring break on me a while back. Acutally played with it that way for 2 weekends. Finally noticed when showing orr lvl10 that something was wierd. The bolt wasn't resetting very fast it was all sluggish, took it apart and to my surprise the spring was busted. I just pooped in one of my other springs that was close to that lenght and it worked fine.

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            • Smokee_2_7
              Registered User
              • Nov 2000
              • 823

              #7
              Thanks for the responses guys, at least now I know that Im not the only one to experience this freak accident.

              Tom, I'm pretty sure the reason I was breaking paint was because I had the cut spring installed and was shooting 290. The gun went down first thing sunday morning. I had chopped a couple balls on saturday, and during a break had enough time to take it apart and try to change the carrier. When I took it apart, the cut spring was fine and intact. On another note, I couldnt change my carrier because my gun deciced to have it's power tube unscrew at that moment. Couldnt get the tip off with the time and tools that I had handy- - So I just put everything back in there like it was and hoped for the best. I played the final 2 games on saturday with no problem, except for a bad headache and 2 chopped balls. Cleaned everything sat. night, and it was fine. At 6:50 A.M. Sunday- - *pop*.



              Thanks again everyone. . now I know not to use the middle legnth spring anymore until it is replaced with a 'non cut' version.

              Carl

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              • Smokee_2_7
                Registered User
                • Nov 2000
                • 823

                #8
                here's the pictures for anyone who is interested. The first was taken as soon as I removed teh valve assembly from the body.

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                • Smokee_2_7
                  Registered User
                  • Nov 2000
                  • 823

                  #9
                  in this one you can see where the spring broke.

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