New Cocker 'System'??

[Jerhew]

ok after taking a second look...
it's still ugly as sin...
but it'd look better with 2 mirco-rock lprs
even then it's ugly...why brass?
that's so '98 cocker :P
and we all know how important vanity is to most 'cocker owners...

but as far as operation...
it's actually not a bad idea...if you really feel you need your 'cocker to be even more gentle on paint and do it in a purely mechanical way(not that it's any less prone to problems than an electro...)
you can set the forward pushing lpr as low as possible to pinch balls, and crank up the cocking lpr to compensate for the slower speed of the forward moving one

to me it just seems silly to have 3 different regs on your gun(not including your hpa tank)
thats just more things to go wrong...
and more things to adjust
adjusting the timing on an autococker is already enough of a pain in the neck

[Angry Man]

Actually, AGD, it would make the gun cycle much faster. The bolt opening pressure would be allowed to be much higher, so the breech could open much more quickly. There's very little resistance when closing the breech (no hammer spring to compress) so even with a super low closing pressure, it would still be pretty fast. The system would allow for a much higher cycling rate than current lp recocking autocockers have, and would be infinitely softer on paint, especially when combined with a low friction delrin bolt, something none of your mags have seemed to be able to use effectively. Like level ten, it's both fast and soft on paint, but unlike level ten, it allows for an efficient and consistant marker.

--AM

[Ityl]

it's a great idea, just need to make it all in a smaller package.

[xen_100]

I think it is very cool.......the autococker is already a mass of hoses and little bit and bobbles sticking out everywhere...........why not a few more? looks like this will be a kit that actually improves apon an already proven design.

[Muzikman]

It does slow down the cycle speed. So much that you can see it with your own eyes. I watched them play around with this system a little bit at Skyball and at prettly low PSI the bolt returns so slow you can see it. Brad came up with a good point, why not just use a two stage ram. Then you are back to just one LPR.

[Hunter]

That was a waste of time and effort, the cocker runs perfectly fine right now how it is, i loved mine to death, but going and jacking up the price is pointless.

[Muzikman]

Actually the price of that setup is surprisingly cheap. I think they are asking like $90 for the front block w/ 6way, you supply the 2nd LPR. So you are looking at like $130 for that setup. Not too shabby.

[oneshot]

The system would allow for a much higher cycling rate than current lp recocking autocockers have,

how would you do this,Free flows with race frames can get 15 bps and still stop on paint, just wondering

[JEDI]

With enough Pnuematics and hoses I get get my cocker to make my bed.... But would I want to? I think its a good idea, but its way too much stuff.

[hitech]

There is a MUCH easier way to accomplish the same thing. The larger the rod on the ram the less surface area there is and the less pressure the ram applies. Simply make the side that cockes the marker have s small rod (more force) and the side that closes it have a large rod (less force). BTW, this isn't my idea, it is what Glenn Palmer does. It's just not adjustable between the two.

[FutureMagOwner]

you guys seem to have forgotten with that heavy back pressure to recock it to keep it going same speed or faster you also end up having more recoil

[nerobro]

Here's a thought for you. if you have two lprs, you won't have problems with LPR recharge rate. According to the guy at the booth most LPRS are stressed very heavily by eguns running 20bps. Just run them at normal pressures. *grins*

[Muzikman]

Greg, And do you really beleive the BS that the booth was feeding you? It was a sales pitch. I talked to him for about 30 mins and walked away shaking my head.

Though it wasn't as bad as the guys at Champion trying to sell KB on a Timmy when he asked if they had any E-Blades he could try.

[sniper1rfa]

I actually think its pretty cool. definately a good way to do things, nice and adjustable. There are easier ways, granted, but if you like tinkering, this is it.

Another way to do it, beyond this, is to use an extending spring-bias ram. Basically, it has a spring that assists the extension, and resists the retraction of the ram.

This is way more adjustable and adaptable to more scenarios than any other way ive seen it done, however.

Thumbs up!

[*ArKfEaR*]

Originally posted by PolishSausage
It's ugly, stupid, and weird looking. I dont see the point of an extra LPR....

Well you sir are an idiot, the model they used to install the system on was a stock cocker that is why its ugly. Im almost 99.9% sure you could get a sweet FF (if you wanted it lower cocking pressure) or per say take your custom chrome n' blue milled cocker (example) and have them install the upgrade. It is most likely compatible with every cocker its only a second LPR, just a modified front block. Hey if you wanted it then, why the hell not.

Anyway us cocker owners love fine tuning our stuff, as well as its one more thing for us to buy.