So 7 of the 15 Wining Players at Skyball were Shooting AGD Guns!!

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  • alterego
    Registered User
    • Mar 2003
    • 1

    #76
    Mags winning Skyball

    What to do.

    There are many issues that have to be addressed with the recent success of X-mags at Skyball. It seems ironic that 10 years ago the dominant semi-autos on the scene were mags and cockers, ten years later, the basic workings of both these guns haven't necessarily changed, they have just been updated. So, as tons of companies try to enter the paintball market and come and go, some things never really change - quality always shoots straight - now only faster! more reliable, quiter, lighter, cooler... etc.

    There is no point promoting something and creating the demand if you can't get it. I understand there is quite a wait for x-mags right now. That has to change somewhat, no matter how good the x-mag is, people are impatient and usually want something asap. I have been waiting for my x-mag for 8 months. I was on the verge of buying a E blade cocker until Jon from airguns phoned me and said my mag was on its way. Airguns needs to step up production.

    As for running ads, I think the new ads should reflect the scene, not necessarily one tournament. The marker is awesome, but if there are only 500 markers out there, you are always gonna be limited to how often a team is gonna win with an x-mag. Airguns needs to capitalize on this situation fast. While there is a buzz about the gun, Airguns needs to get markers out there as fast as possible. Could you imagine what could happen if there were substanially more teams shooting x-mags? What happens if Airguns goes another 4 years without winning a major tourny? (I don't know what airguns record for winning majors, I am just playing devils advocate to illustrate a point.)

    I think airguns as a company needs to come up with an overall strategy, not just a recent tourny result - although it could be incorporated into an ad campaign. Marketing can be a huge burden to a company both financially and with manpower. My suggestion to Tom Kaye is to get a general idea of re-inventing his company from a marketing standpoint - all the products rule. Look at Smart Parts. SP used a marketing firm to re-invent their look and to market new products, look at where they are today as to 5 years ago.

    Everyone needs to convey to Tom why they are die hard Mag fans. Reliablility, simplicity, accuracy, efficiency, customer service, etc. Come up with a general marketing campaign of sorts. Then, approach a local college that has a marketing program and offer the students to design a campaign for the company. It is FREE and usually pretty fast - students need to complete stuff by the end of their semester. Students love to design stuff for the real world, that they can potentially see their work out there. They can also use it for thier portfolio, maybe Tom will hire a student?

    I think a play on the old company saying is cool like I mentioned:

    Quality always shoots straight - only now faster!

    Something along these lines. It will appeal to old mag owners which may re-intorduce them to new airgun products as well as peak interest to new cusomters.

    Anyhow, thats my two cents, I really hope Airguns gets it together because their products really rock.

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    • orderofreason
      Registered User
      • Feb 2002
      • 20

      #77
      I would seriously consider purchasing an Xmag if it wasn't for one reason. I can't get one. There were none for sale at skyball, no retailer can get them, and the back order on them is ludicrous. AGD has always had THE best support in the biz and for that i would really really like to pick up an xmag, but if the company just simply can't put one in my hands until half the season is over.....

      GZ Intimidator
      Strange Impulse

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      • Strider
        Thunder Chicken
        • Mar 2002
        • 1562

        #78
        Just one counter point alterego, the kids were using regular Emags.

        We are a little overexcited.

        Though, you are entirely right about the XMag shortage...

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        • RamboPreacher
          Player, not a Pro
          • Oct 2002
          • 1084

          #79
          a bit of late night imagination and some non-trained photochopping:
          [RPedit - oops forgot an arrow - that's Crow saying "AutoMAG" - too tired to fix it.]
          Thanks, Brent "RamboPreacher" Hoefling, CPPA founder

          Here is my user feedback thread. and my online jottings

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          • Oregon_pb_
            Senior PBaller. 15+yrs
            • Oct 2001
            • 527

            #80
            Paintball is all about skill, Mags just push you to the top of the podium.
            "Accuracy by volume has been, and will remain, the best way to score eliminations" Tom Kaye

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            • SaS
              Silent.... Like Crabs
              • Jul 2002
              • 390

              #81
              Rambo Preacher,,, I LOVE THAT ONE... Brings back memories of the long lost Turkey day
              AGD
              Another Great Design....
              Little Help

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              • CaPoEiRa
                Registered User
                • Feb 2002
                • 3312

                #82
                a bit of late night imagination and some non-trained photochopping:
                [RPedit - oops forgot an arrow - that's Crow saying "AutoMAG" - too tired to fix it.]

                RamboPreacher has attached this image:
                That's hilarious! MST3K rules!

                clareb.com

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                • LaW
                  Why play?
                  • Oct 2000
                  • 3124

                  #83
                  Originally posted by CaPoEiRa


                  That's hilarious! MST3K rules!
                  Definately I second that!!! MST3K, I have been watching that for many many years!
                  Taking a long needed leave of the sport to finish school and tour the country

                  b2k3w/pds, vaporized, vapor valve, aka sidewinder, chaos chip, palmer rock lpr, CP barrels, 68/45 hyperflow

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                  • PzYcO
                    PzYcOmagg
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 1067

                    #84
                    Seven out of 15 winners at skyball were shooting mags, Why arent you? Automags, Because quality shoots straight.

                    MINE!!!! NO SOUP FOR j00! DONT STEAL! =)

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                    • hitmanng
                      Slayer of Sacred Cows
                      • Jan 2001
                      • 1237

                      #85
                      I think you need to kill two birds with one stone. People disliked mags for a lot of reasons but number one was the ugly grey tube.

                      I do not have time to pull out the old photoshop, but I picture the evolution of paintball.
                      Pictures from upper left to lower right corners overlapping.
                      Start with a picture of a player in the woods with on old Automag 68. Then an RT pro with a person on a spool or tire field wearing a Long sleeved T-shirt. Then a local tourney looking picture with a guy shooting a traditional e-mag in a plain Jersey. Then a picture of the Kids winning at Skyball.
                      In the upper right hand corner the caption would read. "We've come a long way baby"
                      "Shooting straight since (whatever year)."
                      In the lower left in would read.
                      "Welcome to the New AGD - 7 out of 15 winners at Skyball were shooting a Mag."
                      "Maybe it's time to take another look?"

                      If I am feeling energetic latter I will give it a shot.
                      Hitmanng

                      By the way that is an ad for a paintball Mag, I would blitz 1 page adds (Make sure they are the right hand page) in 3 or four for one month only. That is the only way to reach the paintball world. Ideally get it in the same mag that has the Skyball review.

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                      • BarryTolar
                        Registered User
                        • Nov 2001
                        • 131

                        #86
                        Alterego hit the nail on the head so to speak (at least from where I'm setting)

                        Also don't just rely on us Tom. After all we'll buy just about anything you sell(why else is the wait list for Xmags so long? I'd be very interested in how many folks have preordered one that don't visit AO)

                        Marketing is expensive but then again it's worth it. How does Kingmann sell soo many Spyders? (I have a hunch. Pretty Ads)

                        But there is little point in getting customers worked up about a product if they can't get it (at least in Paintball not true in other markets I know but it is in Paintball)

                        Sorry I've got no good ideas for an Ad.

                        Barry

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                        • AlabamaMan
                          Engineer 13
                          • Nov 2002
                          • 479

                          #87
                          Alterego is a 1 post wonder i totally agree wtih him.
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                          • AGD
                            The man from AGD

                            • Oct 2000
                            • 5916

                            #88
                            Well I think the million dollar point made here is that it's no use advertising products you dont have. I'll work on making more first!

                            Thanks

                            AGD
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                            • PsychoBaller
                              Gone are my SFL days...
                              • Nov 2000
                              • 1952

                              #89
                              Holy Crap...... MST3K....

                              was the shizzy, Comedy Central has so gone down the tubes without it I think. Best was the Godzilla Episodes by far, so predictable but funny anyway...was great....classic.

                              Speaking of a Classic (music over tv this time - my rendition in the mag-winning theme)

                              "Da Da Da..... Mags win in yo face.... Da Da Da.... Other guns bite the dust...... Annnddd... another tourny done, a mag team has won; Mags rule the world...... HEY... I just gotta say... other guns bite the dust...........
                              Nobody ever though AGD would come this far... but hey we sure showed them....... AGD Kids ruled the Dome, and kiked other guns outta their home........are they ready... does it matter to me.... I'm standing with da mag in hand...... we gonna rule to the sound o the beat... other guns bite the dust..... (trail off in sick guitar solo) "

                              First to guess the song wins a role of my eyes and maybe a cookie.

                              ~da "AGD Rules 03 Already" baller

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                              • fire1811
                                Firefighter
                                • Nov 2002
                                • 4930

                                #90
                                umm is it
                                Devo whip it??
                                "The Few Who Do Are The Envy Of The Many Who Only Stand And Watch"

                                Alway Remember *343*

                                Si vis pacem, para bellum

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