level 10 and regulator piston

[azzkikr]

here is a thought, the current and only regulator piston was design to work with the level 7 and earlier bolts. it gives the level 7 bolt a relatively wide variety of preasure and velocity settings without leaks in the rear of the valve. it works well. but now we thankfully have the new and improved bolt, come to be known as level 10. well what happens, this new bolt works wonders, but for it to properly do its job it needs a higher air preasure. well the current regulator piston controls that air preasure, and even though the new needed preasure is within the pistons range, that range is dramatically reduced thus giving us level 10 users a narrower range of preasure and velocity settings without leaks from the safety valve in the piston. now wouldn't the level 10 beneficiate from a sturdier piston, one that can handle higher preasure without leaking.

ok we all know that the regulator piston has no user servisable parts. and everyone who owns a mag will tell you DONT TAKE IT APART. I haven't so I don't know what that preasure realive valve looks like. but wouldn't something simple as making that blow off valve stronger, whether it be stronger material or simply thicker, make it be able to handle higher preasures.

all in all, I think that this idea is something simple that AGD should maybe take a look at. I mean, there is no really big design change, so no time spent R + D, next to no diference in production, yet it would sort of make the level 10 more manageble and it would be backwards compatable with every mag out there.

so what do you guys think about this, hopefully AGD will stumble across this and enlighten us with a opinion. later AZZKIKR

[Havoc_online]

I believe AGD is currently making pistons that vent @ 50psi higher to solve the issue.

[Peach]

Gah! I just I just bought a new one a week or 2 ago!

[scrambler]

glad

glad to see a post on this!!! was just getting ready to order a new piston, but i'll wait now..

havoc would you have a time on the new piston?

has anyone ever changed the springs? mine looks wore down and in need of replacement. i know in the store it says part should never be needing replacement. but??

Bill

[azzkikr]

cool

thats cool, hey havoc just how do you know that? 50psi is better than the current but the level 10 still needs more than just 50psi than the level7 bolt to work correctly, specially if the longest srping is used. which is the ideal one supposedly since its the one to retain the most preasure thus being the easiest on paint, but that spring requiers an ungodly amount of air preasuer going into the valve.

what can be done to the valve to work at lower input preasures?

thanks AZZKIKR

[Havoc_online]

if your worried about a new reg. piston you ordered being a waste, dont. You can still get it to work with long springs, however that IS overkill. just use the cut spring, it will pinch on ANY type of paint(I can get the cut spring to pinch on dollar bills, I even made a set-up so soft the bolt stopped on the detent so I actually had to toughen it up) with no problems at all as long as you set-it up right.

50psi is MORE than enough of a higher pressure to vent at.
However I dont believe this is a pirority because current reg pistons work.

rules -
cut side on bolt
dont use shims if you dont need them
use the BIGGEST carrier that doesnt leak
make sure you bolt fits your body and barrel ok.
dont be quick to judge a bad reg. piston, know what your chrono'd at(if it's shooting reliably).
dont use crazy high input pressures.

[Jerhew]

i bought new reg pistons for my classic when i got my level 10
i could turn my velocity well about 300fps without venting(not that i'd ever use it cranked up that high...but it's nice to know you have some headroom)

and when i traded up to a retrovalve i had to get a reg piston for that and yes i had the same positive results...
so yeah get a new reg piston it's the right move

actually AGD ought to just sell em as a package deal with the level 10
or atleast let you know you might need one

by the way
if anyone need a new reg piston for a classic
i have 1 brand new and 1 i've used twice before i dropped the old one back in and sold the valve
as i said i have a retro so i don't need them
pm me if interested