BE Evo2

[Vex]

Why is it that everyone rips on BE for screwing everything up, yet the Evo2 is selling like it's the next "big thing"?

And, on that same note--from those who've used an Evo2, are you happy with it's performance? What are the pros and cons?

[jah871]

I have 2 evos and a halo. The evos are great! I have had no problems with outshooting them on my emag. They are light and make the gun very balanced imo. The feed necks on the evos are taller than they need to be but you can just cut it down. The halo is definately faster but it is also a lot heavier and it seems bulkier to me.

[fire1811]

i use an evo2 on my xmag and love it.
i did cut some of the feedneck off and it has had no
effect on the feedrate.
i prefer my evo to my halo for a few reasons
its lighter, it holds more paint, yes a halo is faster
but an evo2 is fast enough. and it hasnt happend to me
but if you break your feedneck you just buy the feedneck
for about $5. you dont have to buy a whole new shell.

if ya cant tell i am very happy with my evo2

another thing i have played every sunday for the last 6 weeks shooting atleast 2 cases a day and have not taken the batteries out yet. they are still going strong.

[Evil Bob]

People rip on BE because they have prior history of screwing up.

1) They changed the feed neck size on the ViewLoader series, meaning people had to spend money on new adapters and center feeds. They later changed back, which made the issue even worse since manufacturers had to retool AGAIN.

2) They used inferior brittle plastic. Instead of doing the right thing and recalling the product and addressing the problem publicly, they just shut up and said nothing was wrong and continued selling the defective product anyway. I had three ViewLoader 2k's that had paintballs *go through* the hopper from hits, the plastic was literally broken on both sides of the hopper from a shot from 30 feet away.

3) Quality of JT products has dimished greatly since BE aquired them. JT hadn't had any problems before BE bought them, they put out the Proteus which was recalled three months later due to... *again*... brittle plastic that would cause a serious safety hazzard. At least they recalled the product, considering it was eye/head protection and that they would probably be sued over faulty product, they couldn't ignore the problem and continue selling the defective product.

4) Frivilous law suits against competitors. BE knew Odyssey had a good thing going, so they smacked them with a cease and decist order. Funny thing is BE didn't bother going after the other loader manufacturers, they specifically targeted Odyssey, who's product was the only real threat to the long standing VL reign.

5) BE wants to be the Microsoft/AOL of paintball. They have proven themselves to be as lacking in morals and overly greedy as Microsoft/AOL with their shady business practices and shoddy products.

6) I broke the feed door off of my EggoII the first day playing with it, I know of others who have had the same happen, I've witnessed two feed neck breakages.

-Evil Bob

[Kevmaster]

1) They changed the feed neck size on the ViewLoader series, meaning people had to spend money on new adapters and center feeds. They later changed back, which made the issue even worse since manufacturers had to retool AGAIN.
VL's mold was faulty when they purchased VL. They then CORRECTED the problem allowing hoppers to fit into current feednecks...remember...at that time...vertical feeds werent common

2) They used inferior brittle plastic. Instead of doing the right thing and recalling the product and addressing the problem publicly, they just shut up and said nothing was wrong and continued selling the defective product anyway. I had three ViewLoader 2k's that had paintballs *go through* the hopper from hits, the plastic was literally broken on both sides of the hopper from a shot from 30 feet away.
BE will exchange body shells with ANY OF THE NEW X-Board revvies. They admit that tehir plastic they bought wasnt as good as it had been. They had already produced thousands of hoppers by the time this was realized

3) Quality of JT products has dimished greatly since BE aquired them. JT hadn't had any problems before BE bought them, they put out the Proteus which was recalled three months later due to... *again*... brittle plastic that would cause a serious safety hazzard. At least they recalled the product, considering it was eye/head protection and that they would probably be sued over faulty product, they couldn't ignore the problem and continue selling the defective product.
they recalled it because it was a saftey concern. They dont want your eye being shot out any less than you do.

4) Frivilous law suits against competitors. BE knew Odyssey had a good thing going, so they smacked them with a cease and decist order. Funny thing is BE didn't bother going after the other loader manufacturers, they specifically targeted Odyssey, who's product was the only real threat to the long standing VL reign.
And they had no right to go after the other maker...Riccos. They dont use an eye to detect the absense of a ball. the HALO A and HALO Bs both do. They have every right to sue a company for alleged patent infringement. If you owned the intellectual property to something, you too would want to protect it (not to mention Tex was on the development team for the Revvy).

5) BE wants to be the Microsoft/AOL of paintball. They have proven themselves to be as lacking in morals and overly greedy as Microsoft/AOL with their shady business practices and shoddy products.
Is there anything wrong with a comany trying to succede? Microsoft and AOL have made a lot of people very wealthy. Their products are actaully quite good...its just that everyone knocks them without reason....similar to BE

6) I broke the feed door off of my EggoII the first day playing with it, I know of others who have had the same happen, I've witnessed two feed neck breakages.
as noted above, all BE products have 90 day warranties. Call them and tell them what happened. They will fix the wrong. You're the first person I've heard whos had an eggo break on them

[SHOCKER1050]

evos rule

[Reo5th]

I tried for a good hour to outshoot my evo ii with no luck. Roughly 15 bps according to the LCD board.

I love em.

[rehme]

i have a egg2 i dont like it on the norise because it gets in your way and the halos are faster imo they are the best out there and i will always buy the best even if they are a little heavier when you are playing you dont notice the weight difference imo

[FlagCarrier]

i have not liked my evo II. very back heavy, so it threw off the balance of my gun. feeds very fast, but just was not comfortable for me.

[Brett23]

I got an Eggolution and i love it. Short of full auto on a 20+ bps who out there could out run it. It didnt unbalance my emag any and it really isnt all that heavy. Hell its on an emag so who notices extra weight. I havent seen anyone break one yet. Also they are a hell of alot cheaper then the halo

[Vex]

Thanks for the info!

[-Carnifex-]

I got an Evo2, it was good until a solder point broke the day I went to play with it for the first time after months of waiting. Not their fault though, I doubt it happens very often.

[Goldie D Pimp]

Man, I must either shoot hella fast or got a bum egg....(guessing it's the latter!) I HATE mine. I've played with it for several days now and always end up switching over to the HALO.

It just will not keep up with me. I loaned it to a friend to put it on his electro spyder and he had no problems with it. However it won't keep up with me.

I think I got taken!

[Evil Bob]

Originally posted by Kevmaster
VL's mold was faulty when they purchased VL. They then CORRECTED the problem allowing hoppers to fit into current feednecks...remember...at that time...vertical feeds werent common

I've heard this before, it's their PR dept speaking putting the typical slant on the history in question. I find it extremely hard to believe that VL had a faulty mold before BE purchased them, considering their products performed vastly superior prior to the aquisition. The ViewLoader was the defacto standard of loaders BEFORE BE bought them, all the feednecks at that time were designed around the Pre-BE VL. BE changed the neck size (making it smaller) forcing manufacturers to in turn change their product sizes. Then, BE later changed their neck size back to the original mold size, AGAIN forcing manufacturers to re-tool. Sorry, I don't buy the "faulty mold" dribble considering there were no structural problems before BE messed with the product line. If anything was faulty, it was BE's R&D and quality assurance teams for their failure to properly stress test the product before releasing it to the public. No ammount of PR dribble can make up for that.

BE will exchange body shells with ANY OF THE NEW X-Board revvies. They admit that tehir plastic they bought wasnt as good as it had been. They had already produced thousands of hoppers by the time this was realized

Regardles of having thousands of hoppers produced or not, they still took the shady path and ignored customer complaints claiming there was nothing wrong. It wasn't until a year and a half later that they publicly admitted there "might have been a problem". By then the damage had already been done and people had migrated to other venders.

they recalled it because it was a saftey concern. They dont want your eye being shot out any less than you do.

Yes, precisely, they couldn't sweep this one under the carpet since it was a safety issue, that is exactly what I said in my first post. The fact of the matter was, once again, BE's quality assurance team did not properly stress test the product before releasing it to the public.

And they had no right to go after the other maker...Riccos. They dont use an eye to detect the absense of a ball. the HALO A and HALO Bs both do. They have every right to sue a company for alleged patent infringement. If you owned the intellectual property to something, you too would want to protect it (not to mention Tex was on the development team for the Revvy).

Actually, re-read Odyssey's patent info, it doesn't detect an "absense", it detects movement, it's not the simple on/off approach that BE bought in the VL patents, the ball is either there or it isn't, Odyssey's approach is very different. The HALO's have spring tension on the feed cone that is applied to the ball stack, meaning there won't be any "absense" of paint if there is a continuous stack of balls, so as long as the hopper is sufficiently full, there won't be any breaks in the feed. It reads a reflected beam to tell the ball position in relation to the eye since there wont be any spaces between the balls. So detecting an "absense" is not a realistic approach here since there won't be any "absenses" at all until the hopper runs out of paint.

Is there anything wrong with a comany trying to succede? Microsoft and AOL have made a lot of people very wealthy. Their products are actaully quite good...its just that everyone knocks them without reason....similar to BE

Yes there is when said company is willing to break the laws in order to succeed. Success is great, I'm glad that Microsoft and AOL are so successful, same with BE, I'm happy that they have had great success in selling their crappy product line, successful competition means lower prices all around in the market place. The problem with the two companies I listed above is that they tend to utilize illegal business practices in their pursuit of the great and all powerful dollar. Unless you've been under a rock for the past 5 years, you need only to look at the multitude of cases brought against Microsoft and the supreme court rulings to see that there is something wrong with how Microsoft does business. As successful as both those companies are, it is still against the law to force venders to sell only their products. We have anti-monopoly laws for a reason, if Microsoft were allowed to "succeed" unleashed, we would not have linux or Mac's or Unix or Novell or etc. etc. The poitn brought up was that neither of the two companies named have a clean track record in their pursuit of success, the same applies to BE. You can be successful in business without breaking the laws.

as noted above, all BE products have 90 day warranties. Call them and tell them what happened. They will fix the wrong. You're the first person I've heard whos had an eggo break on them

Yes, a three month warranty, 1/4 of that offered by their competitors. I had my eggoII replaced by BE not once, but twice; once is a fluke, twice is a common occurance, three times is a trivial joke. Broke the feed door twice, the third failure was the button for increasing the speed didn't work (straight out of the box from the RMA (once again great quality assurance)), so it was stuck in slowmo and could not be increased. I'm sorry, I gave them the opportunity, they failed miserably, I have since moved on to bigger and better things.

-Evil Bob

[Kevmaster]

I've heard this before, it's their PR dept speaking putting the typical slant on the history in question. I find it extremely hard to believe that VL had a faulty mold before BE purchased them, considering their products performed vastly superior prior to the aquisition. The ViewLoader was the defacto standard of loaders BEFORE BE bought them, all the feednecks at that time were designed around the Pre-BE VL. BE changed the neck size (making it smaller) forcing manufacturers to in turn change their product sizes. Then, BE later changed their neck size back to the original mold size, AGAIN forcing manufacturers to re-tool. Sorry, I don't buy the "faulty mold" dribble considering there were no structural problems before BE messed with the product line. If anything was faulty, it was BE's R&D and quality assurance teams for their failure to properly stress test the product before releasing it to the public. No ammount of PR dribble can make up for that.

VL had made a couple hundred thousand loaders on the old molds. They were worn. BE replaced the molds to get everything back down to spec. Everyone throws a hissy fit, BE says fine, we'll help you and we'll go back up to where they were before. In regrads to the plastic shells of the newer X-Board revvies (the Pre-XBoard revvies but after BE bought it were IDENTICAL to the shells on the Pre BE revvies--that is a fact. Claim they didnt work as well if you like, but it is a fact), their first production batch of plastic was faulty. It was surprisingly brittle when they went to make them. By the time they realized this (they had done the testing on the new plastic that was good) tens of thousands are out there. BE WILL REPLACE ANY LOADER THAT HAS BROKEN. If it breaks, they will replace it. Why do they not call them back and give everyone new ones? Because its not a saftey issue (see below). If a loader breaks in a game....oh well...you're out.

Regardles of having thousands of hoppers produced or not, they still took the shady path and ignored customer complaints claiming there was nothing wrong. It wasn't until a year and a half later that they publicly admitted there "might have been a problem". By then the damage had already been done and people had migrated to other venders.

It wasnt till a year and a half till they noticed it. as stated before, they will repalce the shell with anew superior one if you call them. All it takes is a phone and BE's number is a 1-800! FREE!

Yes, precisely, they couldn't sweep this one under the carpet since it was a safety issue, that is exactly what I said in my first post. The fact of the matter was, once again, BE's quality assurance team did not properly stress test the product before releasing it to the public.

How often do car manufacturer's recall something? Quite often. I've had 3 recalls on my NEW PRODUCT. when a new product comes out, they dont catch EVERY glitch before its released. They catch some afterwards and they then say...oh, since its our fault, we'll replace that part for free. BE even replaced the whole thing!

Actually, re-read Odyssey's patent info, it doesn't detect an "absense", it detects movement, it's not the simple on/off approach that BE bought in the VL patents, the ball is either there or it isn't, Odyssey's approach is very different. The HALO's have spring tension on the feed cone that is applied to the ball stack, meaning there won't be any "absense" of paint if there is a continuous stack of balls, so as long as the hopper is sufficiently full, there won't be any breaks in the feed. It reads a reflected beam to tell the ball position in relation to the eye since there wont be any spaces between the balls. So detecting an "absense" is not a realistic approach here since there won't be any "absenses" at all until the hopper runs out of paint.

A US District Court in Greenville, SC found that there was sufficient reason for a case to be brought to trial. They have these things so that companies cant create frivilous lawsuits against other companies. Before the Ody lawyer gets to say anything, the court hears evidence from BE as to how the Ody product infringes on their product. If the court says its bogus, things end there. If the court allows it, things move on and we have a case. Even besides this, if Ody's case was stacked and BE's was missing, why would they have settled and PAID BE MONEY? If they knew they were going to win, then why settle?

Yes there is when said company is willing to break the laws in order to succeed. Success is great, I'm glad that Microsoft and AOL are so successful, same with BE, I'm happy that they have had great success in selling their crappy product line, successful competition means lower prices all around in the market place. The problem with the two companies I listed above is that they tend to utilize illegal business practices in their pursuit of the great and all powerful dollar. Unless you've been under a rock for the past 5 years, you need only to look at the multitude of cases brought against Microsoft and the supreme court rulings to see that there is something wrong with how Microsoft does business. As successful as both those companies are, it is still against the law to force venders to sell only their products. We have anti-monopoly laws for a reason, if Microsoft were allowed to "succeed" unleashed, we would not have linux or Mac's or Unix or Novell or etc. etc. The poitn brought up was that neither of the two companies named have a clean track record in their pursuit of success, the same applies to BE. You can be successful in business without breaking the laws.

What laws has Brass Eagle broken? Shady buisness? So now its illegal to sell a paintball marker at wal-mart for less money than your marker and when joe newbie neglects it, BE is unwilling to replace it....thats shady? Oh, even if that is shady, thats not illegal. I have yet to see anythign BE has done to be illegal....

Yes, a three month warranty, 1/4 of that offered by their competitors. I had my eggoII replaced by BE not once, but twice; once is a fluke, twice is a common occurance, three times is a trivial joke. Broke the feed door twice, the third failure was the button for increasing the speed didn't work (straight out of the box from the RMA (once again great quality assurance)), so it was stuck in slowmo and could not be increased. I'm sorry, I gave them the opportunity, they failed miserably, I have since moved on to bigger and better things.

Well I'm sorry man. You've heard tons of people here praise them. I've sold about 6-8 and they have worked flawlessly.

-Evil Bob

by the way, i thank you for your rational thought and intellectual debate. I enjoy this. Too many people walk in with a "BE Sucks" and then walk out. I applaude you for that