COLLEGE NATIONALS REPORT: ILL State takes 2nd!! [VERY LONG]

**cphilip** · 04-13-2003, 08:54 AM

Well I did hear our guys stunk it up this time and didn't do very well but I do not know the entire story. And I did hear a lot of folks shot my X mag. Sorry you didn't get an opportunity too. You will some other day. Congrats on your finish. I heard the competition was very good.

**spantol** · 04-13-2003, 03:29 PM

cphilip -

Every time I saw your X-Mag, some guy in orange had a deathgrip on it. It was very well taken care of.

**PsychoBaller** · 04-13-2003, 05:07 PM

Lol, first off.... sorry Phil for putting a few shots on your Xmag Counter, I was comparing your Trigger Job to mine. While I considered mine better, your Gun was still prettier, due to the fact that its new and your ano job is just about flawless... while my SFL got massively beat up at the tourny (playing on fields of gravel/pebbles.

-Many teams lost respect for the ARMY Squads, pulling those sneaky Dead Man Walk manuevers. One of the teams they pulled it against was mine - Rutgers B squad. Even some of the refs thought it was cheap as well, even if it was legal. Arm Bands would have prevented such deviousness.

Both of our Rutgers squads made it past Pre-Lims and Semis, but then after that, massive amts of teams were dropping out. Even though we lost a bunch of our afternoon games, lots of Penalty Points were given to our opposing teams for Playing on with Obvious Hits. We were so pissed when a game was over, and the 3 players on the opposing team had hits on them - 2 of them Obvious, and another with a feed neck shot....

In anycase... we still had fun overall. After our tourny games were over for the day, We (Rutgers) and Drexel (close buddies) teamed up for a couple of Ten Man Games against Penn State. Crowed loved this stuff, crazy moves and tons of paint in the air, was best part of the day, lol.

~da baller

**cphilip** · 04-13-2003, 06:09 PM

No problemo! Glad you got a few shots into it. It needs breaking in.

Glad to hear you "mostly" had a good time. Sounds like it.

The guy clutching it was most likely Rob Long aka ezrunner here on AO. I just hope he will bring it back and it does not become like my Cocker he has!

He'll know what I mean about that. It should have been sporting a brand new Smoke Halo B on it when you shot it?

**Scooter/Cootie** · 04-13-2003, 06:40 PM

I must say that this was probably the easiest event to ref for us, and that's only because the teams made it that way. Those teams that play in the NCPA, or at least the one's that played on the JT field where we reffed, we're polite, didn't argue, and listened to instructions. Kudo's to everyone for making our job that much easier.

Like I said before, AGD Pride reffed on the JT field. We then reffed the finals along with another team from Wisconsin on the South airball field. Besides having the Illinois player running through a bunker to shoot a player, I believe that everything ran very smoothly.

Thanks to Raehl for inviting us to Ref and thanks to all the players that helped to make it an enjoyable experience.

**Spaceman613** · 04-13-2003, 07:19 PM

Was that penalty the one we gave you (both teams same game) on the hyper field? I hated doing it, but we were going by the rules. Id actually like to talk to Chris about that aspect of the rules. I saw a couple things that could make the games MUCH better, and the scoring much more appropriate.

BUT, I will say ALL of the teams were great. I only had one problem all day, and that was just a fluke.

Great bunch of guys all around

**PsychoBaller** · 04-13-2003, 07:34 PM

Phil. Your trigger could be made a bit lighter, unless you like it like that. I was so tempted to do a trigger job on it, lol. Did you have a Roller Trig. Kit on their? as I saw the 2 holes drilled through the trigger for the pieces to fit on it.

-The reffing throughout the day was great. I can't think of a time when my squad had a discrepency with a call. Props to AGD Pride. I saw some o them, and thanked Timmy L. and thanked him for his sweet trigger. TL63 Trigger just rocks on my SFL Emag.

-Chilled with EzRunner for a bit; Xmag is a bit lighter than my SFL.... (only by those 3oz that the Xvalve takes off from normal Valve........cough, jealous I dont have an Xvalve yet, cough.....)

-Lol, Wished I had asked if Pride would help me fix my backup Emag during Lunch Break though as a Teammate needed a gun later in the day... ah well..

~da baller

**cphilip** · 04-13-2003, 07:48 PM

Well I do not much care for a real light trigger because I play with gloves on and do not like suprises when I shoot. And that one is lighter than I normaly do mine to tell you the truth! It was set light for the Roller Trigger which I took off to send up there cause some of the guys did not have time to learn it and they didn't want to have to use it if it was actualy needed for a back up. So yes I have one but I took it off to send it up there. That X mag is now at 1 magnet up top at this point I think. It might be one magnet and one oring I cannot recall. JJ set it up for me that way when the roller was put on it cause that thing needs it to be lighter. I usualy go with two magnets and no spacer o rings myself. Its all preference I guess but its certainly adjustable thats for sure. But I have not touched it as I have only had it two weeks now and only played one time with it and even then I loaned it out all day. So I not realy sure its where I want it until I get some more time with it.

**demonguy8** · 04-13-2003, 07:50 PM

RE: spaceman

EDIT: The playing on call rule argument has been clarified and dealt with I dont wish to take the thread any more off topic and am deleteing all my offtopic posts after this one, as the debate ended up solving itself..

As far as the thing scooter/cootie mentioned.. It was game one of finals.. ISU VS UofI... It got down too a 4on2 or so and a UofI player ran between two bunkers that where directly touching each other to bunker the remaining 2 ISU players.. In EVERY other league Ive ever seen, Doing so is considered manipulating the field and would be an automatic elimination of the player, and then playing on for shooting the two ISU guys after being eliminated for running thru the bunkers. So right after this, there was a BIG argument on the field, started by the last two ISU players. Aparently the being able to run thru bunkers question was asked during the captains meeting and deemed LEGAL for some unknown reason. Personally I have no idea why such a thing would be legal, but I guess it was, and the call on the field stood (and rightly so if it was deemed legal). Apologies to AGD Pride, and the UofI guys for the drama.

**raehl** · 04-13-2003, 07:59 PM

I just got home, and I'm kinda in the mood to do anything OTHER than paintball for a little bit (spent the car ride writing up an article on the event...) so I'll keep this short. (But be honored that I came to AO first. Well, after the NCPA forums of course.

)

- Thanks to everyone for doing the work to show up.

- Thanks to the refs for doing a great job and the players for making it easy.

- Thanks to Brass Eagle, National Paintball Supply, and PMI for supporting the event and letting us put on a great show while keeping the costs to the player minimal while providing a nice paint selection.

- There was a lot of discussion about the playing-on rule at the President's Meeting turned Player's Party (Or was it player's party turned President's meeting?), there will probably be some revision of that rule over the summer, although it will probably stay written to put the onus on the player to check themselves. I know a lot of people who play elsewhere have issues with the rule, but then again elsewhere is where all the playing on and other grey-area BS happens because the rules are written to encourage people to hide their hits as long as possible.

Ok, maybe that last bit wasn't so quick.

I should have the final rankings up - if I'm in a good mood

- later tonight.

- Chris

**cphilip** · 04-13-2003, 08:01 PM

Well if you were referencing NPPL rules a player cannot call paintcheck for an obvious hit that he can verify. He can only call for it when he takes a hit he cannot verify and he is NOT neutral unless the ref has to call him neutral to verify. And in my opinion if he feels the hit enough to call paintcheck and therefore suspect its a hit it IS NOT and "unobvious" hit. It is just a hit that is hard to verify so it falls into the "Obvious hit" rules. And therefore that player should assume its one until he is checked or he risks a "playing on" penalty. It's that players or his teammates responsiblility to verify if that hit is an "out" or not before he plays on. It is not a penalty to play on with an "unobvious" hit. But the very fact that you called paintcheck means it IS NOT an unobvious hit. It is a hit that is difficult to verify. And if you continue to play while awaiting help to verify then you are indeed playing on. No question about it. But many times not enforced but should be. It is the rule.

**cphilip** · 04-13-2003, 08:04 PM

Oh hey Chris!

I agree that it sounds like the way you interpreted and used the playing on call in paintchecks is the correct one. It matters not if they have not been used to correctly called on that. Your interpretation is correct. IMHO.

However that bunker moving is a whole nother matter!

**cphilip** · 04-13-2003, 08:18 PM

Re: RE: spaceman

Originally posted by demonguy8
The problem with this was the situation was a 3 on 1 and if you cant fire the moment you call paintcheck, theres nothing stopping the other team from running up on you, since you cant shoot back without a playing on penalty..

There is something in that situation the Ref has and can and should do. If its the one person left he should make the call quickly or call the player neutral and check. It is against the rules to advance on a neutral player. However it should be done quick so the flow of the game is not interupted. And if a advancing player does not respect the neutral call and advances he can be penalized....

Also if a player takes an obvious hit that is easily self verified and calls paintcheck HE Can be penalized. Especially if he plays on!

**Oddball** · 04-13-2003, 08:54 PM

I was there playing on the SIU A team. We didn't do as good as we had hoped but considering we had never played together as a team before and for 3 of us it was our first toury ever, we didn't do too bad. Only got one hang in the 4 games of the prelims but did great in the remaining games in the losers bracket getting a hang in each of our 3 games.

The game that Demonguy8 talked about earlier, their first game on the losers bracket, must have been against our B team. They lost to a team that played a man down with out getting even one elimination. That doubled their overall score to 8 since they only got one actually kill in the whole toury, and that was on the break of a game. It was all their first tounry and for 2 guys, the first time playing paintball.

Overall I had a great time. The paint shot great, we got Inferno, and was a really good deal. A few guys got paint to bring back to school since it was cheap.

As for what was said at the captains meeting in the morning, the question was asked if they could shoot thru the bunkers, not run though them. The question was asked, I assume, because of the hyperball fields and the holes in the bunkers.

Since I only got one semster left, this was most likely my first and last college nationals, but look out for SIU next year. I will have all Fall semster to form a good tourny team from the club.

COLLEGE NATIONALS REPORT: ILL State takes 2nd!! [VERY LONG]

COLLEGE NATIONALS REPORT: ILL State takes 2nd!! [VERY LONG]

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