Poison Products barrel system

[GT]

just wondering what the point of 'paint clearing device' is, when the barrel is micro honed to the Nth degree?

Just a sidenote, when was the last time lvlX owners broke a ball in chamber or down the barrel?

jb

[CoolGSak]

If you think you will ever see a "quality" barrel kit for under $100, keep dreaming... You get what you pay for, and something under $100 would be absolute crap, I can guarentee you that.

The barrel system is certainly not a gas hog, I use an 88/4500 PMI screw in and noticed no significant change while using the poison set. I don't know about these "magic eleves" that you posses, but it does shoot straighter than my freak kit when I was using Diablo and RP on Sunday.

[Cristobal]

I think its a cool looking barrel, and the paint-shedding ports strike me as a neat idea if they actually work as claimed.

Hemorrhage is right though, more than likely there is nothing special about the aluminum used in the barrel. 6061 (probably T6 temper) is a standard easily-machinable fairly inexpensive but still fairly strong multi-purpose aluminum. Good stuff to make a barrel out of, but the material itself isn't anything fancy.

Interestingly, on the sluggo drawings AGD's specs call for 7071 aluminum to be used -- which costs more, but also is stronger (which is probably a good thing, considering the sluggo gets pretty thing in places).

[irrific]

WOW, to have a built in squeegee it must break balls left and right, Because why else would it have a squeegee for?

[Nexev]

It doesnt have the paint clearing system because it breaks more paint... it has it because with low grade or crappy paint, you do get barrel breaks and a thing like this would be a faster solution than trying to squegee it out.

[CoolGSak]

Nex, thank you for explaining, I get tired of repeating myself over and over to people...

[xen_100]

I have seen and used many many barrels that claim to "shoot through breaks and clean themselves" and none have worked very well. the fact is if you break paint in the barrel you will have a gooey sludge all over the inside of the barrel that is not going to clean itself. opening up a "door" with extra porting is not going to magically get all the goo out of your barrel. paint is still going to be stuck to the sides of those ports. as soon as you push it closed again the goo is back in the barrel. a squeegie is still going to be needed to get it shooting straight again.

[JEDI]

Originally posted by JAM


I don't know... I've never had a barrel wear out on me... and i really think that aslong as the paint's good and the fit's OK, a barrel's a barrel. It's all just cosmetics. best of luck with sales.

I dont know if it effects performance, but I can see definite lines going down the inside of some of my older Boomsticks. The inside still feels smooth, but you can tell there's a little wear.

[Nexev]

Originally posted by xen_100
I have seen and used many many barrels that claim to "shoot through breaks and clean themselves" and none have worked very well. the fact is if you break paint in the barrel you will have a gooey sludge all over the inside of the barrel that is not going to clean itself. opening up a "door" with extra porting is not going to magically get all the goo out of your barrel. paint is still going to be stuck to the sides of those ports. as soon as you push it closed again the goo is back in the barrel. a squeegie is still going to be needed to get it shooting straight again.

xen_100 what you dont seem to grasp is that since its micro honed and whatnot the paint acts like a "squegee", if you use the right size insert, thus the paintball pushes all the excess out the barrel along with the intact ball. After a few shots its cleaned due to as described system. The sleeve is used to create more porting sooner in the barrel to get the paint out.

[Patron God of Pirates]

Originally posted by Nexev
xen_100 what you dont seem to grasp is that since its micro honed and whatnot the paint acts like a "squegee", if you use the right size insert, thus the paintball pushes all the excess out the barrel along with the intact ball. After a few shots its cleaned due to as described system. The sleeve is used to create more porting sooner in the barrel to get the paint out.

That makes no sense. Once the ball clears the PAC (see first post) it is no longer a "perfect fit" to the sides of the barrel. Since an actual perfect fit does not involve the ball touching the walls of the barrel all the way around in the first place, it makes even less sense.

Even if it did work as you are suggesting, what in the world would be the point of clearing the paint three inches further up the barrel instead of just shooting it out considerable porting on the end?

Furthermore, if your paint is matched correctly, you won't have breakage problems in the barrel. So unless the ball was broken in the hopper (in which case you have a much bigger problem), I don't see how LV.10 users would ever have any need for this system.

No offense intended, but this is AO, advertising here is notoriously subject to scrutiny. I once heard us referred to as the Consumer Reports of paintball. And yet Smart Parts still sells guns, so the poison folks shouldn't worry about it hurting their sales.

I'll have to see one in action before I pass judgment completely.

[xen_100]

Originally posted by Nexev



xen_100 what you dont seem to grasp is that since its micro honed and whatnot the paint acts like a "squegee", if you use the right size insert, thus the paintball pushes all the excess out the barrel along with the intact ball. After a few shots its cleaned due to as described system. The sleeve is used to create more porting sooner in the barrel to get the paint out.

what about the tip of the barrel? in every barrel system I have seen that uses inserts, the tip of the barrel has an ID of about .695 or so. that way any insert you use, the tip will not effect it. so when you break paint the tip will have a nice coat of paint in it too. every shot picks up a little tiny bit of this paint and you see and the squirley shots and curved shots that is typical of a gooed up barrel. this magical extra ports thing will not effect that in the least.

I will beleive it works when I see video of a purposely broken ball that gooes up the barrel. then open the ports, fire a couple times and it is all clean, shooting as well as it did before the break occured. I dont see that happening for ANY barrel, not jsut this one.

[Nexev]

well we will make one then

[Patron God of Pirates]

Originally posted by Nexev
first off this isnt the consumer reports of paintball, its the grumpy old men that are too set in thier ways to give a fair judgement on anything new. This barrel works i have seen it. Paint breaks in the barrel if its fragile and not good quality. I have seen a lvl 10 chop and break paint so its not fool proof, its just semi good and a gas hog.

Way to not address a single point I made. Am I supposed to accept this barrel in an effort to not be a Grumpy old man? LOL.

Level 10 is semi good and a gas hog eh? I have yet to break a ball with my E-Mag or either of my RT's equipped with LV.10. Properly matched paint in my EQMS does not break. I would have to be playing Walmart ball to even worry about it. I don't even own a squeegee.

As far as the slight turn down in efficiency with LV.10, I get about 50 less shots out of an 88/4500. Big deal. At least AGD was honest about it.

Lets be honest about this poison barrel:

"This is a great Barrel for people who buy al their paint at Wallmart, match it incorrectly to the barrel, and shoot it from VL200's in non ACE or LV.10 equipped markers."
-Patron God of Pirates

You can use that endorsement if you want. Or this one:

"If you like unproven Gimmicks that defy logic, common sense, and Physics, this is the barrel for you. It will look great on your Cocker"

[Patron God of Pirates]

Originally posted by Nexev
way to go patron god of *** pirates. I bet you belived the hype about lvl 10 way before it was realeased, dont say this barrel cant do what they say it can unless you can PROVE to me that its impossible by physics as you so call say to have this barrel operate the way they say? Can you? no you cant.

I'm going to ignore the name calling.

I was a beta tester for the LV.10, so yes, I believed it before it was released. Incidentally, it's not hype when it's true. Tom and AGD have an excellent reputation for honesty and customer service for a reason.

The reason I don't believe this barrel works is because I brought up legitimate reasons why the explanations of yourself and others didn't make sense, and you couldn't (and still can't) debunk them.

Come up with an explanation which makes physical sense and I'll listen. The burden of proof is on you, and anyone else trying to sell this thing.

For the record, insulting me, and AO in general, is not going to move product.

[Skeletar]

It's not nexev's product, so he can insult you all he wants. I've personally seen 4 balls jammed into this barrel, fired a couple times to make a mess, then he slides open the port, fires a couple more shots, and they were shooting dead on. Quite amazing if you ask me.