CPX shut down?

[shartley]

[Oddball]

So does anyone know how this effect the CPSA? It always seemed liked Forrest himself ran it and it had little to do directly with CPX besides having two of the events there.
I never have played at CPX for open games, only tourys so I realy can't comment on the fields, prices, ect. I do feel that refs should get some perks. Things like free entree to play, discount on paint, and to be able to bring outside food in (paper bag lunch or fast food). Every job I have had gave me so perks, even if "higher management" didn't think the workers should. Fast food jobs = free food at least when working, thats just the way it is 80% of the time. At Paintball Sams where I ref, Nikki (the owner) gives free entree to the refs, cheaper paint then even membership prices, and if need be free rental if i want to play a quick game and didn't bring all my equip. Free air, and on busy days she often buys Arby's for the staff.
Reffing jobs are almost always done more or less for fun, ppl that ref usally never really need the money they get, it is "beer money" at best. Perks need to given in order to get the amount of good, realiable refs needed.

[WARPED1]

Originally posted by joez


and just one more tidbit of info, there was only one park to ever last a decent ammount of time, and that was the old challenge park. and that was under forest, not BE.

SC Village, Corona Ca
Skirmish, Jim Thorpe Pa
Top Gun , NJ spring to mind as being open longer.

[314159]

Originally posted by shartley

the reason that things were going downhill, and profits were going up, is because of the new people they attract. after a couple times, they stop going to cpx, but as long as they keep new people comming in, buisness is good.

it sounds like you can't bring your own food to cpx if you work there.

Forest has always done his best to set things right, i am under the impression, that be has been working around him for a while, and be's choices have been the causes of most of the problems. (be worked around forest to mess up shatnerball)

[WARPED1]

Originally posted by 314159


(be worked around forest to mess up shatnerball)

Why Shat Spplat 2 is at EMR, in pennsylvania this time...........

[puckmaster]

Originally posted by shartley

And it is also funny how even those who support the outgoing management claim things have been going downhill for a while YET claim profits are up. This is quite a strange thing.

When things are going "down hill", it doesnt always mean financialy. The last post before yours gave reasons why the field was going down hill. One of the reasons was because they used to sell PMI Premium and diablo for the same price they sell they crap paint now days for. I dont know about you, but i would rather spend $100 a case on PMI Premium, than $100 for Brass Eagle paint. There also raising entrance fees and such. A field doesnt have to be high quality in order to make a gigantic profit.

raising costs of the uniforms and safety equipment we have to buy (osha states that required safety eqipment must be refunded),

All i'm saying is that they are supposed to be refunded for the required safty equipment, and the were NOT. There called benefits. I'm sure you know all about them. Some jobs have hella nice benefits(such as at my local field, we play for free, Main emplyees get a free cell phone, and if you work 100 hours total of reffing or working inside the store area, you get a free bushmaster.)

Also, what i dont understand is why they can just kick out a guy that owns part of the company. Did they buy him out or what? Lets say that the park cost $1,000,000 to get started. Since a previous post said he owned 10% of the company, he would have put in $114942. I'm sure he had other sponsors to get the field started, but that doesnt seem right just to boot a guy he had that much put into it.(I now he didnt put that much in, but if the company was worth 1,000,000, he would have $114,942.)

[joez]

i didnt want to use names, so we will call him hank. "hank" was brought in by be to help spending problems at the park. forest is part owner and also an EMPLOYEE at the park. hank was the reason we never got anything, he is the reason that BE paint was brought in, among numerous other things. when forest was fired, hank was the man to take his place. and what do you know, they took away even more of our perks.

the cpsa and all other events were booked to forest, not the park. i am going to talk to him again tommarow and will be able to answer how it affects the cpsa later.

when did you work in the auto industry, shartly? because BY LAW they are supposed to either supply or reimburse you for REQUIRED safety equipment. i am not sure how i was supposed to ref without googles, maybee you can tell me shartley. and if you really want, i will get the exact sheet we gave them to put on here, so you can see that we were not just out there to better ourselves.

and warped1, sorry about the confussion, but i was tired when i typed this, i meant arround here, the chi-town area. i know fox has been arround for ever, but forest successfully ran a paintball park for 18 years.

[shartley]

Originally posted by joez
when did you work in the auto industry, shartly? because BY LAW they are supposed to either supply or reimburse you for REQUIRED safety equipment. i am not sure how i was supposed to ref without googles, maybee you can tell me shartley. and if you really want, i will get the exact sheet we gave them to put on here, so you can see that we were not just out there to better ourselves.

[WARPED1]

Originally posted by joez


and warped1, sorry about the confussion, but i was tired when i typed this, i meant arround here, the chi-town area. i know fox has been arround for ever, but forest successfully ran a paintball park for 18 years.

Thats coo', I thought you meant in general, no harm no foul!

[LaW]

lol this guy talking about causing a blow to BE lol oh man thanks for some good entertainment lmao


If i lived in the area I would already be asking for a job there since I can't find one around here.

[WARPED1]

Yeah, its really won't do much to BE, but its nice to see people taking a stand! I'd just quit and find another job.

[Natrix]

From what I understand, the Challenge Cup is not going to be at CPX. I guess they just don't want anything from Forrest. In the past they used to have it at the Joliet Stadium, home of the Will County Buccaneers (Minor League Football Team), it'd be baddass if they had it there.

Also, I heard that Forrest was trying to get rid of "Hank", and Hank side-swiped him, and gave him the boot.

Furthermore, I heard there were 40+ companies waiting for this to happen because of their issues with BE, they all dislike BE with extreme prejudice. Lawsuit anyone??

These are all here-say and rumors though. What I do know, the quality of CPX had been going down hill, even if profits were up. They stopped doing 4500 fills, and wouldn't buy a new booster. They raised admission. Sold Terrible paint for the same price as good paint. Added netting, and a second level to Bedlam, lowering the enjoyability of playing that field. Is this BE's fault I don't know.

But it is my personal opinion that BE is hurting the sport.

1) They sell Talons for $30 at wal-mart and don't give any form of eye protection with it. That's just dangerous, if they're going to sell paintball markers to the general public from general merchandise stores they should give eye protection with it.

2) The quality of Revolutions has diminished under the ownership of BE, breaking easily if hit hard. It's also rumored that Viewloader wants to break away from BE.

3) JT's quality also seems to have suffered a bit. Gloves falling apart easily (in my case anyway). It's also rumored that JT wants to break away from BE.

I've typed enough


P.S. Hank = Ray

[nerobro]

This BE buying the industry thing has the feel of AMF buying harley davidson... Just wait. VL, JT, :-) they'll break away again and will once again make good equipment.

did anyone else notice that the new 9 volt hopper from VL has no sensor in it? that the servo motor just turns as soon as it's turned on? *grins* Little things like that.

well we shall see next weekend when CPX opens again. And see what's going on for them and reffing. As players, we can't change ownership of CPX. That I know for sure. But just maybe.. we can get them to crank up the service levels for us.

As a player.. CPX has always sucked. :-/

[shartley]

Originally posted by Natrix
From what I understand, the Challenge Cup is not going to be at CPX. I guess they just don't want anything from Forrest. In the past they used to have it at the Joliet Stadium, home of the Will County Buccaneers (Minor League Football Team), it'd be baddass if they had it there.

Also, I heard that Forrest was trying to get rid of "Hank", and Hank side-swiped him, and gave him the boot.

Furthermore, I heard there were 40+ companies waiting for this to happen because of their issues with BE, they all dislike BE with extreme prejudice. Lawsuit anyone??

These are all here-say and rumors though. What I do know, the quality of CPX had been going down hill, even if profits were up. They stopped doing 4500 fills, and wouldn't buy a new booster. They raised admission. Sold Terrible paint for the same price as good paint. Added netting, and a second level to Bedlam, lowering the enjoyability of playing that field. Is this BE's fault I don't know.

But it is my personal opinion that BE is hurting the sport.

1) They sell Talons for $30 at wal-mart and don't give any form of eye protection with it. That's just dangerous, if they're going to sell paintball markers to the general public from general merchandise stores they should give eye protection with it.

2) The quality of Revolutions has diminished under the ownership of BE, breaking easily if hit hard. It's also rumored that Viewloader wants to break away from BE.

3) JT's quality also seems to have suffered a bit. Gloves falling apart easily (in my case anyway). It's also rumored that JT wants to break away from BE.

I've typed enough


P.S. Hank = Ray

[spantol]

(Added: Oh no! They ADDED netting! Shame on them1 )

Heh. You've never played Bedlam, have you?

The netting Natrix is talking about serves as "walls" inside of the buildings. It's a huge nuisance, and does absolutely nothing for safety.