Can an Automag keep up? (I'm considering getting one.)

**Shail** · 05-08-2003, 02:01 PM

I have shot both and in all honesty, you wont have a problem at all with bps issues, the minimag can shoot just as quickly. If not faster!

**cphilip** · 05-08-2003, 02:08 PM

Mini will do 12-13 BPS without shoot down with its Classic valve.

The cockers have been chasing that mark and just caught up to it recently. Some of them will not even match it.

The RT valve will even blow that number away.

Welcome to the Forum and if your a Zealot you will fit right in here!

**Coal-Cracker** · 05-08-2003, 02:08 PM

Originally posted by Shail
I have shot both and in all honesty, you wont have a problem at all with bps issues, the minimag can shoot just as quickly. If not faster!

Will I need to upgrade the stock trigger frame in order to do this?
The reason for the concern is that I was able to shoot a one at my local shop. It was one of the tech's and he had just taken off a malfuncioning BooYah frame. He installed the stock trigger and I gave it a try. The trigger pull was horrendous. Granted, it felt like something was wrong in the way it was set-up. Maybe the input pressure was set too high - who knows.
Again, thank you for your unbiased (right?) opinion.

**cphilip** · 05-08-2003, 02:14 PM

The old stock triggers are fairly long pull. I suggest you look to the Intelliframe though. I also suggest you look at the RT pro. Much more advanced and already has that set up on it. Mag pulls are a bit longer than your used to right now. But some exciting things in the works to lighten them you should take a look around and read about.

**WickeDKlowN** · 05-08-2003, 02:26 PM

Never really shot a 'cocker too much, but I love my mag. The triger pull is pretty short(to me anyway). and it can easily do 8-9 BPS.

Edit: And If a ned RTP is out of your price range, check the classifieds. I'm sure you can ind a good deal on one.

**joez** · 05-08-2003, 02:43 PM

Mini will do 12-13 BPS without shoot down with its Classic valve.

i have peaked at 15.7 so far

and no shootdown!

anyway, the stock single finger triggers are stiff, but so are sinle finger hinges for cockers. get a longer trigger (2 finger hinge on cocker, i-frame or benchmark) and simple physics make the trigger pull lighter. the longet trigger acts as a longer lever, making the pull less forcefull, but a little longer.

find some one who has a benchy or i-frame, and shoot them, and you will notice a huge difference in trigger pull.

i have shot my friends cocker (2k3, hinge, bomb, kap twist ram, blah blah) and i would compare it to my old mini with the benchy. his is a little more crisp, mine was smoother. mine was a little easier to short-stroke, but my LX helped me overcome that. side by side, both of us ripping on them, was very close in terms of B.P.S. but when it all came down to it, long strings would result in the cocker chopping, and the mag never missed a beat. that, and the mag has still never let me down, through all its stages of development, from bone stock to where it sits now. i dont even have a backup anymore.

**shartley** · 05-08-2003, 02:46 PM

**FalconGuy016** · 05-08-2003, 02:51 PM

I have fired both extensively. In my honest opinion, BPS wise the cocker has the advantage on a hinge trigger (ecplipse blade in this case) It is slightly shorter and easier to pull than my intelliframe minimag. However dont let that worry you too much, you can still get up there, and of course all those other advantages of a mag kind of push the vote way over

**krafty** · 05-08-2003, 02:54 PM

At a tournament a few weeks ago one of my teammates asked me...

"If you can shoot like that with your Minimag, why do you own a Bushmaster?"

**e mag** · 05-08-2003, 03:29 PM

check the classifieds, you can find good deals on either an rtp or a classic/mini with intelli, lx, and rt valve. here's one for 500$ http://www.automags.org/forums/showt...threadid=81594 classic with LX, intelli, xvalve, and a freak.

**personman** · 05-08-2003, 03:37 PM

It will keep up.. and also if that mag you shot was brand new, the orings in the on/off need a breaking in, then you will notice a diffrence in the trigger pull ( not quite as hard to pull) and, some people swear that level 10 gives you a softer trigger pull..
I would get an intelliframe as well.. if you dont mind a long pull, and want a real nice soft, yet long pull, by all means go with the benchmark frame.. yes the trigger is sloppy and long.. but its got REALLY nice leverage and is pretty smooth.. I cant speak for an intelliframe, as I have never shot one, but I'm sure its nice. A classic valve will keep up fine...

**Ov3rmind** · 05-08-2003, 04:41 PM

Originally posted by joez
i have shot my friends cocker (2k3, hinge, bomb, kap twist ram, blah blah) and i would compare it to my old mini with the benchy. his is a little more crisp, mine was smoother. mine was a little easier to short-stroke, but my LX helped me overcome that. side by side, both of us ripping on them, was very close in terms of B.P.S. but when it all came down to it, long strings would result in the cocker chopping, and the mag never missed a beat. that, and the mag has still never let me down, through all its stages of development, from bone stock to where it sits now. i dont even have a backup anymore.

Tell your friend to get his cocker timed and his regs tuned. I like Mags and all, but I have NEVER shot one with a smoother pull than a hinged Cocker. Then again, Mags also seem to have crisper pulls than Cockers to me.

My guess is that he has the firing and cocking timed too close. you said it was harder to short stroke than your Mag (usually the other way around in my experience), so he obviously has it timed close. Then again, you said it chops during long strings. He may have it timed so close that he's getting excess blowback, slowing feed rates significantly. A well tuned Cocker shouldn't ever chop either, especially if you've put tons of money into upgrades (my BM Cocker with stock internals could pinch when tuned right).

**Grasshopper** · 05-08-2003, 05:00 PM

I easily pass up my bro's 'Cocker (though he has a stock frame) and am about the same as my friends 'Cocker (with hinge). I have a benchy frame. Yea, the trigger pull is a bit long, but once you learn how to pull the trigger fast, and figure out how far you need to pull it, you can seriously crank some balls out. Also, I've never had trouble with my Mag, when my brother is over in the corner tinkerin' with his, trying to get it to work right.

**joez** · 05-08-2003, 07:16 PM

Tell your friend to get his cocker timed and his regs tuned. I like Mags and all, but I have NEVER shot one with a smoother pull than a hinged Cocker. Then again, Mags also seem to have crisper pulls than Cockers to me.

his cocker is timed, it was timed and tuned by a shocktech tech. it sure seemed harder to shortstroke than my mini, and every hinged cocker i have shot is a crisp trigger pull. yes, it is quite smooth, but it has a crispness to it, almost snappy.

its chopping i bet had to do with his rev not keeping up. it is a 12v non x-board, but i figure my powerfeed made up in the difference of my x-board. his will skip shots, and chop paint. my mini would skip occasionally, but never chop a ball.

I-framed mags seem to have a very crisp pull, and they make a hinged cocker seem quite a it smoother, to me at least, but notice i had a benchmark. the benchy seemed a lot smoother to me, even though it was longer.

Can an Automag keep up? (I'm considering getting one.)

Can an Automag keep up? (I'm considering getting one.)

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