Newbie needs some help

**reefer madness** · 05-30-2003, 02:36 AM

all i can sy is mags are up there with tippmans as far as durability goes. keeping it in good condition and well oiled, it will last you a lifetime. also the fact that they are uncommon is, for me, a great reason to get one. i love shooting up all the little cocker suckers with my mag. one of the refs at my field actulay askd me what kind of gun i was shootng and when i said mag (actualy its a calssic rt) he asked if it was the new one

**Marek** · 05-30-2003, 04:25 AM

Guess I'll be the first to Welcome you to AO. Welcome.

I used to own a mag, and am getting one soon, so I know where you are coming from. My advice is just ignore those ppl. For whatever different reasons, ppl dont believe in mags, but they are great guns. They are dependable and shoot really nicely. Also, there are alot of different upgrades now that you can get. You can make a really light, (yes, I said light) fast, dependable and stylish looking mag.
Maybe these ppl dont no about that, and that is why they lead you towards cockers and spyders. Rt Pros and Emags are great, so if you want to get that for the reasons I listed, that is great. Minimags (my first gun) are great also, to start off and can be easily upgraded to be up there with the best of them. It's all what you want.
ULE bodies, ULE trigger, X-Valve, Intelliframe, and Lvl. 10 are all great upgrades and have really changed the way some ppl look at mags. Not all people, but baby steps.

You can find good used guns in the classified section. Could even find an Emag for 500 if your lucky. Hope this helps, and see you around.

**beefstew** · 05-30-2003, 06:10 AM

Well, glad to see someone not taking that kind of information from usually not too mag educated store workers and owners. When i went into Boston paintball with my new xmag, all i got was "pretty blendah" i tried to explain lvl10 to him, and then i told him ACE and he understood. I let him rip on it in the backroom and he was having some fun, and that was in manual mode.
In any case, my vote is for an emag w/ lvl. fast efficiant and relativley unbreakable. Not being able to chop is a good thing.

**jdev** · 05-30-2003, 06:15 AM

welcome to AO

personally, I try not to base my opinion of something off of someones opinion.

I have owned a mag my entire life of playing paintball. I have only put paint through one other type of gun, an M3 Dragun. It served well for its purpose I suppose.

I have never fired a cocker, angel, viking, impulse, intimidator etc. etc. having not fired one before, I could not offer you an opinion on one. tomorrow i will fire a coker and a viking for the first time.

someone who owns a proshop may or may not have fired all the above mentioned guns. its a good way to tell what a customer would want in a gun, and what they like and would personally recommend.

I think the reasons that people are not shooting mags more is that they are not as flashy as all the guns on the market today. i think eveyone here will agree with me that flash isnt what makes your gun. its like adding stickers to your car if you belive it adds horsepower..

anyways. having been a loyal mag owner for a long time now, going on 7 years, I would definatly suggest checking the classified forums for a deal on a gun. like marek said, if you are lucky, you may be able to pick up a used emag for $500

**bryceeden** · 05-30-2003, 06:28 AM

I run a small paintball store, and can say with 100% assurity that mags are the best ballance of quality and performance any where. I would try actionvillage.com the have very good prices and are great to work with.

**jaylock33** · 05-30-2003, 06:49 AM

Go with the emag if you can the thing to remember is that both of these need to run off of HPA. As far as the attitude about the cocker thing goes you get used to it after a while. Comes down to people thinking their gun is better than someone elses. Imagine if you hadn't decided that you wanted a mag they probably would have convinced you that cockers were the greatest gun on earth but when everything is said and done pick a gun your happy with and suits your playing style, because in the end it's the man behind the gun not the gun.

**rkjunior303** · 05-30-2003, 06:49 AM

I have to agree with everyone here.. Before I owned my minimag, I owned a Spyder Classic.... I've had my minimag for years (and I bought it used) and I never had a problem with it *knock on wood*. After my experiences with my 'mag, along with what type of company Airgun is (ie. how many other companies have their CEO on message boards posting, going out to meets, giving out free ****, beta testing new products, etc) I am a mag owner for life.. aside from that, have you SEEN the new X-Mags? I mean, c'mon... Nothing is sexxxier

My suggestion.. Possibly picking up a used (brand-new used marker) from someone on the board. They are all good people and you will get a good deal. I would talk to Tunaman

besides, cocker? *psh* look at my sig, that's what happens when you shoot a cocker.

**Steelrat** · 05-30-2003, 08:41 AM

Thanks all

Man, I just realized I messed up my username...crud.

I guess my immediate concern was that the dealers listed by AGD as being dealers of their products were badmouthing them. That is never a good sign.

The more I look at the mags, the more I like them. It seems like AGD really makes the nice upgrades for them, and they really don't seem to need many to work well. I also like the simplicity of the design.

I was wondering why it seems the Emag is preferred over the rt pro? I I understand the appeal of the light trigger action, but doesnt the rt aspect of the pro provide some advantages over the emag? I do like the way the emag looks, and would LOVE an xmag, but I want to wait to see if I really get back into the game before dropping that much bling bling on a marker.

Just out of curiosity, let me know what you think of my list of upgrades I'd like, in order of preference:

Lvl 10-this is a must-have, right?
ULE body-New anodized ones look nice, and the low-rise looks better than the periscope the normal ones come with
warpfeed-still on the fence about this. Looks nice, I can see the advantages inherent in the design, but when I recently saw the pictures of lock and load playing in the tourney, they did NOT have warpfeeds on their guns, so what gives? If the agd teams arent using them, why should I?

**LittlePaintballBoy** · 05-30-2003, 08:55 AM

Re: Thanks all

Originally posted by Steeratt
Man, I just realized I messed up my username...crud.

I guess my immediate concern was that the dealers listed by AGD as being dealers of their products were badmouthing them. That is never a good sign.

The more I look at the mags, the more I like them. It seems like AGD really makes the nice upgrades for them, and they really don't seem to need many to work well. I also like the simplicity of the design.

I was wondering why it seems the Emag is preferred over the rt pro? I I understand the appeal of the light trigger action, but doesnt the rt aspect of the pro provide some advantages over the emag?

the emag valve is a retro valve that says emag on it. the rtp and emag both have the same valve, emag just has hybrid mode and emode PLUS if you run out of batterys, put it in mech mode. now how many electro guns can do that? none that i can think of.

Originally posted by Steeratt
I do like the way the emag looks, and would LOVE an xmag, but I want to wait to see if I really get back into the game before dropping that much bling bling on a marker.

good idea.

Originally posted by Steeratt
Just out of curiosity, let me know what you think of my list of upgrades I'd like, in order of preference:

Lvl 10-this is a must-have, right?
ULE body-New anodized ones look nice, and the low-rise looks better than the periscope the normal ones come with
warpfeed-still on the fence about this. Looks nice, I can see the advantages inherent in the design, but when I recently saw the pictures of lock and load playing in the tourney, they did NOT have warpfeeds on their guns, so what gives? If the agd teams arent using them, why should I?

lx(lvl 10)- a must have for ANY AGD marker. buy it first.
ule body- not mandatory, takes off some weight, but those of us without sissy arms dont need to worry about that.*kisses mucsles*

warp- only needed if you are laying down a INSANE rate of fire (rof) good idea with emags, also with rtp, i dont have one myself. look iin the markers forum, theres great deals in there on any gun you wish to buy. and remember, mech guns are just as good if not better, dont feel like you have to buy the emag, rtp is a great gun.

connor

**circus5** · 05-30-2003, 09:04 AM

answers

Welcome to AO!
yeah, you've got the idea pretty much
L10-yeah, basically a must, eliminates chopping.
ULE bodies make your mag EVEN PRETTIER
Warps are a matter of personal preference
they add alot of weight and width, but the low profile result is awesome.

**Load SM5** · 05-30-2003, 09:16 AM

Heya,

Ok, If you want to see how much you're going to stick around before dropping a pile of money into a marker then maybe you should check out our lovely classifieds forum for some good deals on a used mag. Taken care of they can last forever. You could get into a used one for much cheaper than new, and start upgrading from there. You could find a used mag with some upgrades already there, like a retro-valve or intelliframe and use the saved money for upgrades and paint.

Also keep in mind that AGD will be shortly releasing a new trigger modification that will bring their mechanical triggers down to a nearly electrical feel.

Then feel free to take your paint slingin' monster back to those stores and rub their faces in it.

**Gadget** · 05-30-2003, 09:17 AM

Mags tend to get badmouthed because there are a lot of ignorant people out there....and a lot of people who put pretty anodising and milling at the top of their priority list, above performance, reliability and durability.

They're just not fashionable at the moment - but anyone who played tournaments back in the early to mid 90s will know that they totally dominated paintball back then - it was only the change in people tastes towards more personalised markers that made the autococker a more popular choice.

I currently own three mags - a '93 .68 Automag which I've had from new, a X-Valved mag and an E-Mag. I've only just got the E-Mag and not had a chance to play with it yet, so can't comment on its performance compared to a standard RT/Retro valved marker - but I'm not convinced that they're THAT much faster than a RT....however they are FUN to fiddle with and look a bit more pimp.

I'd look at either getting a RT Pro, or having a dealer here on AO build you up a custom mag with a similar spec (X-Valve, Intelliframe etc). While classic mags are still great, Retro/X valved markers are a real step up - once they're broken in they can REALLY rip.

**RiddalinJunkie08** · 06-02-2003, 07:18 PM

" but also because they seem to need 20 upgrade parts to work well."-steerat (sry if i misspelled your name)my autococker is stock except a new hinge frame and barrel (but who uses the stock barrel anyway?)

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