what is the rarest gun?

[Ov3rmind]

Originally posted by lopxtc
Probably Glenn Palmers "Camille" ... only one made and it was stolen sometime ago.

Aaron

That's what I was thinking. No one even knows who the owner (THEIF) is.

[Quickling]

what about SMG 60s and crossman 3557s?

[minimag187]

My blue ir3 is the rarest!

[56kSomeGuy]

anyone got a pic of a desert duck?

[~WarpedRT#2~]

One of the few Carl Bonta E-Mags?

[Richter]

Probably those limited edition desert ducks carter made in the name of that one Hawaiian guy (forget the guys name)

[Doc Nickel]

Okay, first we have to define "rare".

As already mentioned, mere milling and anno doesn't make a "rare" gun. Sure, it's one of a kind, but it's a custom- just because you paint a Celica in neon lime green doesn't make it a rare car.

Gold plating, engraving, custom grips, etc, are just add-ons, and don't make the base gun "rare"- unique, yes, but not rare. There's a difference. One of my comic strips is unique. A Rembrandt painting is rare.

Alien Abduction, Stars & Stripes and other Angels are just Angels with different milling jobs or anno. If that was all it took to qualify, my right-hand-feed Gabriel-Visioned red-black fade LCD I made for Mondo is even more rare than an Alien, C&C or Stars & Stripes: those were one of several, mine's unique.

Camille is an iffy one: It's rare due to what it is, the first direct-feed semiauto. But again, it's a handbuilt custom.

Ducks are right up there, but that's still something of a grey area- Technically they're handmade customs, but done on a semi-production standpoint. And, as rare as they are, there's still actually quite a few out there, in various styles.

SMG-60s and 3357s are nothing like rare. Tippmann made many thousands of the '60s, and Crosman made probably tens of thousands of the SpotMarkers. They seem rare because you never see them on the field, but that's not because there's so few of them, it is because it's so hard to find the .62 or .50-caliber paint they need, and ballistically, both are pretty damn poor compared to a modern .68 cal.

The Rebel Executive and the side-tube PG pistol mentioned are excellent candidates for "most rare". I'm told there were supposed to be quite a few Executives made, but only a few, possibly three, actually were created- it might be just one that got put in the briefcase setup. The PG pistol was the first paintball gun Sheridan made, and the side-tube configuration supposedly got dropped in short order in favor of the vertically-stacked three-tube. (Those are tubes, Tom, not "barrels". )

There was an early side-tube KP rifle that had a bolt-action instead of a pump: I saw one on Ebay once, but that's it. Who knows how many made it out on the streets, and how many have survived conversion to direct feed or pump.

Another very rare one is the Satco 700: Have Blue picked this one up off of Ebay, and found out that it's one of only two that made it out of the factory, and no one knows where the other one went.

I have an old F-1 Illustrator that came out of the factory in tan/gold "desert" camo anno- as far as I know, the only one, made by the long-defunct FASTech in early 1991. I even have the matching 7-ounce CO2 tank for it, dated 1990. That's probably pretty rare as factory customs go.

Some others: The old Southern Pneumatics Phoenix is pretty rare, though about 38 were made. The very earliest Spyders had a "choke" screw on the left side, that restricted air through the valve up to the bolt (much like Tippmanns) but this feature was dropped early on- that's an example of a rare variant of a common production item.

Nobody seems to know how many brass-tube Nightmares were made before they changed over to extruded aluminum bodies; presumably more than a few, but considering the changeover was about '87 or '88, there's not that many survivors.

Doc.

[Cryer]

Originally posted by ~WarpedRT#2~
One of the few Carl Bonta E-Mags?

ooooh... what do those look like?

[xrancid_milkx]

I read the whole article of the Satco 700 and was quite impressed by the complexity of the gun. That was quite a find. Pretty neat-o in my book.

[M-a-s-sDriver]

I have a Tippman SELECT-FIRE, SMG-68, not the "60".
I even have the catch-bag to collect the stripper clips as they exit the magazine.
How rare do you think THAT is?
I did have a Line SI Bushmaster Pointman, with telestock, and the short barrel. I believe it was ripped off out of the back of my truck.
Brent Jackson, PFB.

[bacci paintball]

Phoenix?

I though over 200 phoenixs (sp?) were made? I have heard around 280 i think. I think mine is number 230 something. Also any one know how many mercenary conversion kits were made?
What about sweeny guns, although they are not exactly made for the game of paintball?
Or the "macho fire", don't see one of those everyday.
-Bacci Paintball

[Doc Nickel]

I have my doubts a functional "Macho Fire" was ever made. The ads usually showed a drawing, and the one "photo" of one looked suspiciously like a pumpless Phantom that had a "magazine" mounted to it.

I'll defer on the Phoenixes- I thought I recall 38, could be 200 or more. They do have, however, the added "rarity" of not only being rare, but being unheard of as well.

Sweeney guns are special-effects guns: they're rare because they're not necessarily "production" (they're mostly handmade) and they're not intended for paintball use.

The SMG-68 is indeed far more rare than the SMG-60, since it was an "interim" gun- they whipped it up just to try and satisfy demand a little until the 68-Special was finally ready. Once the 'Special hit the streets, the SMGs were dropped, and that meant the .68 had a production span measured in months, if not mere weeks.

They're definitely more popular than the 60, as you can use normal paint. But the stripper clips are hard to come by (years of production made for a healthy supply of 60 clips, but weeks of production meant the 68 clips got left short.)

Quite a few "Pointman" Bushies got made- for a while, the SI Bushmaster pump was the de facto "tourney" gun, much like the Angel is today. SI made piles of 'em. They're rare today, having been out of production for over a decade, but hardly in the sam class as SATCOs and Phoenixes.

One other: Brass Eagle (the early version, the Canadian guys who made the old Cobra pumps and whatnot) actually had a direct-fed semiauto before either Palmer or Tippmann, called the Eagle.

It was a blowback, spring-fed and based off the aluminum-bodied Nightmare pump chassis. It was troublesome and unreliable, mainly due to the fact it was 12-gram powered and sensitive to pressure fluctuations, but it worked, more or less, and a few were even fielded by a sponsored team- this was, as I recall, '86, though I'm not sure.

Find one of THOSE- if any exist- and you'll have an ultimate collectors' item.

Doc.

[hitech]

Originally posted by Doc Nickel
There was an early side-tube KP rifle that had a bolt-action instead of a pump...

I've played with one of those.

Originally posted by Doc Nickel
Nobody seems to know how many brass-tube Nightmares were made before they changed over to extruded aluminum bodies; presumably more than a few, but considering the changeover was about '87 or '88, there's not that many survivors.

A friend of mine owned one of those.

Does that make me rare? Or just old!



Doc.

[FalconGuy016]

Originally posted by M-a-s-sDriver
I have a Tippman SELECT-FIRE, SMG-68, not the "60".
I even have the catch-bag to collect the stripper clips as they exit the magazine.
How rare do you think THAT is?
I did have a Line SI Bushmaster Pointman, with telestock, and the short barrel. I believe it was ripped off out of the back of my truck.
Brent Jackson, PFB.

Does it still work?

[xadamx]

The PnueVentures Cyber 9000 is pretty rare. I don't know how many where made though. My friend had one( he just sold it for 650 dollars). They are the first electronic gun with an LED screen.