Gino's Paintball (NPS) Field shut down by Mantua Twp., NJ!

[Big'n slo]

1stdeadeye,

Unfortunately there is only two possible outcome to this problem.

1. Gino will fight for the variance and the township will grant it to continue his operation on the weekends. The residents will then appeal the variance and possibly take the township to court. This costs the township money that they don't want to spend. This, in turn, will give the committee and Mayor a bad public image, possibly costing some officials their position in the next election. The township will repeal the variance and Gino will be out.

I've seen it happen on different levels all the time. New residents buy home in fancy development (which are built like crap) that are bordered by beautiful farm fields. (They all want to live in the "country") Then comes planting season, the farmers start to cultivate at dawn with their "noisy" tractors, the residents complain. Then the farmers have to fertilize, residents flock to the township saying the stench is unbearable. The township's officials worry about their "public image". Hence restrictions are placed on time and mix the farmers can use. Luckily, the farmers cannot be forced to stop farming due to it being there livelihood.
Even the township itself is not exempt to the complaints of the residents. Our townships "water treatment plant" has to spray cherry cover sent due to idiots buying new homes across the street. The residents cited that the sign said "water treatment" instead of "sewage treatment". they though the plant treated clean water. (Why would you have to treat clean water?)

As much as I hate to see it happen, its almost inevitable that Gino will have to relocate. I doubt it will hurt his business much, plus fields near the NPS headquarters would probably generate more showroom sales.

In the end, there are just some people that aren't happy unless they have something to gripe (polite terminology) about.

[1stdeadeye]

I understand that some of you don't like Gino and that is fine. He is a ruthless and shrewd business man.

Do you know why he has not opened fields right next door to his monument to himself (AKA NPS World Headquarters). He did not want to hurt the smaller fields in this area who are his customers. He could have done it from day 1 but chose to remain where he was.

I have a strong feeling Gino is going to win this one. The vocal minority will be outmatched by the other neighbors and citizens who will attend. Gino spreads his money around that town very liberally. Regardless of what he has done around the country, he does very well by Mantua.

*If you think that Gino was ruthless before, wait till you see what he does to Redz! He has their same manufacturer making the identical pack for Empire at a far lower cost. Same assembly line, different label. (Made in Taiwan to boot, not US made!)

[Kevmaster]

1st...

I am indifferent to Gino...i know hes a hard businessman..but he sells some good stuff and he's helped me out a ton!

i know that if he WANTS to win this case, he can....he can pay hella good lawyers to come in there and win the case. Its a matter of cost vs. benefit....or maybe he'll do it "on behalf of paintballers everywhere" to set a public precedent for this kinda tihng...

what i cant figure is why the city let a few residents attack a multimillion dollar company like tis

[Big'n slo]

The problem is, even if Gino does win it won't shut the residents up. It'll end up being drug out till one side or the other gives. And it doesn't cost the residents anything to B___H.

Kev, the city doesn't "let" the residents. Its their right.

[shartley]

Originally posted by Kevmaster
what i cant figure is why the city let a few residents attack a multimillion dollar company like tis

Originally posted by Big'n slo
Kev, the city doesn't "let" the residents. Its their right.

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Originally posted by Kevmaster


Jeez....I dont think there is a more cutthroat businessman in paintball...im just glad im on his side now as a NPS dealer

There are definately more cutthroat businessmen in paintball, especially if by cutthroat you mean "stab you in the back as soon as you're not paying attention"

Unfortunately, the paintball industry is not made up of many good people, we're lucky that guys like Tom Kaye can even maintain some respectability in the sport.

Gino's not a bad guy, but I can also see where the town is coming from. Considering all the BS that my dad goes through as part of my town's zoning/planning board, like dealing with people who get pissy about the color of a neighbor's flowers (no joke!), the neighbors do kind of have a case.

[ShooterJM]

Quite frankly it depends on how nice the housing area is. If it's a wealthy area then they can probably get them moved, if it's not. Not as likely.

My opinion is if you're gonna buy a house in an area next to commercial zoned land, it's your screw up. Accept it, or get out.

[Big'n slo]

1stdeadeye?

Was anything resolved last night at the meeting?

Edit: Found the Article

Dispute needs sound answer
Friday, June 20, 2003

By Shawn Menzies
[email protected]

MANTUA TWP. -- The owner of a business on Route 45 who's asking the township to be allowed to hold paintball games plans today to hire an acoustic engineer to see how he can tone down noise emanating from his property.

Zoning board members heard three hours' worth of testimony and public comment on an application filed by Eugenio Postorivo, the owner of Gino's Drive Range & Miniature Golf Course, but did not vote on the matter. It could be brought back for a vote on July 1.


Four homeowners who live near the business testified they were not against Postorivo or his businesses, but had a problem with the sounds of paintball game players yelling and the sound the paintball guns make when they shoot.

About the same number of residents living in the neighborhood said the games do not bother them at all.

Mike Weaver, of Hillside Terrace, who back yard abuts the business, told board members that even though one of three paintball game fields was not operating, the sounds still are bothersome to him.

"It was great he shut it down, but it didn't make a difference," Weaver said. "It's a nice gesture, but it doesn't solve the noise problem."

The land where Postorivo's business is located is zoned community commercial. Neighbors made complaints of the noise to the township in April, which prompted municipal officials to find that the zoning doesn't allow for it and close paintball down.

Postorivo said he has held paintball games at the business for about the past five years without problems. He said his business gives people who play the sport a place to go.

The business operates a miniature golf course, a driving range and batting cages on 10.98 acres of land, according to township records.

Postorivo is seeking an extension of an existing use variance to allow the games to be played. Plans call or games to be played on Saturdays by appointment only and 10 a.m. and 4 p.m. on Sunday.

Through his attorney, John Campo, Postorivo is asking to install berms and evergreen trees to lower noise levels. Campo asked the board to give his clients time to find an acoustic expert to evaluate noise levels of paintball games and find a way to lower the sounds.

Campo said his client want to "make everyone happy."

John Alice, zoning board chairman, said paintball will be allowed to be played for acoustic tests only and "not for profit."

Postorivo, in testimony Thursday, is taking steps to minimize noise levels by warning players not to curse or yell or face banishment from the playing fields, enforce zero tolerance for shouting, and adding more supervision.

A videotape was played by Postorivo for board members to explain about paintball, but the videotape Weaver played of footage he shot from over his fence of a paintball game in process had the attention of the board and members of the audience, likely due to the sounds of paintball guns shooting and players yelling.

It has begun

[1stdeadeye]

Yeah,
I saw the article. It is a minor setback. Hopefully Gino will do what it takes to reopen the fields. We will see on July 1st. Like I said, it was only a small group of homeowners (4) that protested. Gino actually had other neighbors testifying on his behalf.

Thanks for posting the article Big'n Slo!

[Jonesie]

Quoted from the article dated today:

Postorivo, in testimony Thursday, is taking steps to minimize noise levels by warning players not to curse or yell or face banishment from the playing fields, enforce zero tolerance for shouting, and adding more supervision.

That kinda takes the team-work/communication factor out of the game, no?

Jonesie

[Big'n slo]

To tell you the truth, I didn't even know Gino still had fields in Mantua before this started. Now I really hope he gets to keep them open. Its close enough that I might actually be able to play.