is a automag good back player gun

[Bartleby]

just to sum up a few things that have already been stated that i am in concurance with.
a back player needs:
1. high rate of fire
2. accuracy (comes with barrel}
3. distance ("")
4. efficiency

things that really don't matter for a back player are those pretaining to size. you could have a gatling gun and it woulnd't make a difference. the thing that really matters is what gun feels right to you. if you can't shoot a cocker, you better not go out and buy one. if you don't like the weight distribution of a mag, do not aquire one. test them out, and see which is best for you. yet stay within the 4 guidlines above. good luck

[Cliffio]

why i dont think a mag is a good choice for a back gun....
i dont think that you can accieve the rates of fire that you might need to, i mean kinda like a stock cocker, its just not gonna do that job, if i were to decide i would get a bushy, i mean they are light, come with high rises, can shoot faster than a mag, a shocker is a little more money and is equaly as fast, little bit of a gas hog, but your gonna beed a 68 anyways for back, as far as range goes, just get a 14" barrel, i mean its not going to make a BIG difference but it cant hurt, just dont go out and get you the 18" boomer, you wont need it
emags are nice, little more money, but they are fast
2 team mates have them, i would say their are better than bushys.

so what i really mean to say is...get an angel

Cliff

[Cliffio]

Originally posted by Drizit
bet you didn't think your old rental gun could go head to head with an angel with the right upgrades.

please tell me your not comparing an angel to ANYTHING tippmann makes

[mvp_kid]

wow

thanx for all of the input guys i will be trying out a 2k1 cocker this weekend and also a mag and this will decide which one i choose thanx for all of the suggestions and imput everyone.

[Miscue]

Originally posted by DYE-BaLLeR
i disagree with feel the rt and miscue, back player have to shoot long distances so they would want an accurate gun, and some guns are more accurate then others. theres a counter example for your two theorys

On this planet, tourny guns shoot same distance, same accuracy.

This Bushy vs. Mag thing... electro vs. semi-auto... that's not a fair comparison... also considering price/etc. But, an RT despite being non-electro is on par with an electro in the right hands.

Mags can shoot considerably faster than a cocker. Even electro cockers are limited to 10bps because they simply cannot cycle fast enough.

[Bartleby]

a retro mag/rt pro/emag is the undisputed king of ROF. be it electro or not, nothing comes close.

[Cliffio]

my firends f5 is set at 12bps with the A/C eye

but i dont think you can get much higher than that, but i mean really when do u need it faster than 10 or 12?
off the break maybe, and even then your runnin, or walkin, its hard to get it then

Cliff

[booyah]

cliffo

I got one for ya....

guns i have owned
4th Gen bushmaster
Powerfeed mag classic with dye double trigger
powerfeed mag with stock frame and double trigger
powerfeed mag with zgrip
RT with stock frame
RT with zgrip
RT with stock frame and double trigger
97 mini cocker tricked to the hilt (only stock pice was the body)
99 Mark II custom cocker (nothing stock)
Tippman model 98 (with flatline, double trigger, regulator and lowpressure mods)
PMI g3 piranha

so a decent list to speak from experience

the fastest gun i have ever shot you ask? the RT with zgrip. blew the bushy right out of the water... no comparision. I could max the bushy as fast as the board would let me shoot (13.5 for the non LCD versions) and the RT was quicker...

the bushmaster in my hands compares to the powerfeed mag with dye double trigger in speed, the mag is smaller, and more consistant.....

the cockers are fun, but mine have both been suction timed and ran too low of a ram pressure to chop paint, those are the only reasons i like cockers....

If you ask what guns I have kept through it all though? the only one i kept was the mag, currently with a zgrip and a warp feed, i can out shoot any hopper you put on it, and am dead on accurate with it...

Just my experiences and milage may vary

[Cliffio]

??whA??

i must have missed something, anyways
did i say that bushys were the fastest??
if so u didnt mean to, i mean i might have missed something, but i was comparing a basic mag to a bushy, *which isnt really fair to start with*


you mean you have had all those guns and no angel?
your missin out

i know lots and lots of people here swear by their mags, and i am sure if i had a mag and it worked for 75 years i would love it too
BUT ive had a few angels and i have gotten to the point where i really cant shoot anything else...

but on the same side, while my new angel is getting rippered, i played with a stock mag this weekend and other than the hard trigger it wasnt too bad, i actually enjoyed it, didnt have to worry about anything, well except for breakin paint, but it was old old paint

anyways

Cliff

[booyah]

eh, i never liked angels.... personal preference....


One of these days i may end up with one but probably not soon, i just dont care much for electros.... besides, after shooting a mag for a while, they all feel WAY to big in my hands...

Several people suggested the bushy since it was a small light electro, but just didnt work for me, still too big...

[Bartleby]

i can't stand electros and i've used and owned a large number. i find they're like automatic transmition on cars. you just don't have the feel and same understanding of the marker. just never worked for me.

by the way, i saw a video of a guy shooting a p/f mag, with out a retro, at 14bps with no shoot down. i don't know about you, but that's fast enough for me. my fingers aren't as nimble as booyah's

[Webmaster]

back to the original question - I play back/middle - and with and emag. My only problem is running out of paint too fast! I can get rid of a burst faster than any other gun...

And to add to the arguement - use what you are comfortable with. And gun can be used to play in any position -its how the player uses it. All guns get the same range and accuracy - so the point is rather moot as to what to use.

[Cliffio]

Originally posted by Webmaster
All guns get the same range and accuracy

THANK YOU!!!

been sayin that for years!!!

Cliff

[MajorDamage]

A mag is just plain a GOOD gun. It will work good for back, mid, or front players, and the TKO package looks really nice. Go for powerfeed though!

ENDO!

[FaSSt]

This is not the most important point of the ones made above, but about the M98:

The Flatline and the RT mod are not an ideal combination. According to Tippmann, the flatline barrel poses a limitation in terms of ROF. And a Flatline M98 is one gun you DON'T want to have a ball break in.