AO: We are back from the dead... again! After an 18 day outage, we are finally alive and well. Who knew how complicated updating software/databases from 2008 would be. I still have alot of tweaks to make, but my main goal was getting everything patched and updated to 2026.
Vbulletin 6 has changed alot since 2008 so we will have a ton of new features to dig into.
Originally posted by Trench_Riader I'm a veteran myself and saw action during the first gulf War back in '91. I hated having to do the job my country called upon me to do and was scared sh-tless almost the whole time. However I am intelligent enough to draw a distinction between miitary based hobbys like wargaming and actual combat. Wargames do not glorify war or make it more acceptable. And I'm not alone in these views....I know quite a few veterans of military service (some cobat vets like myself) who enjoy wargaming as a hobby.
Ok I read this the first time around and didn't post but as it has been brought to the surface again, the reason for quoting the section I have, is quite simple. What the heck were you doing in the military if the act or thought of war scared you sh-tless, and hating your goverment to actually get you to do what they were paying you for. I am all for having a military deterent but populated by people who understand the risks and actually want to be there...it can be said that someone without fear is a danger to his/her comrades but come on, there are degrees of fear. No offence intended but you did put your thoughts online for all to see. I had no desire to be in the military in my youth but later on did infact apply but for one reason only I was turned down despite the recruitment officer trying to get the decision overturned, so I am not against the concept of enlistment.
I watch news all the time and can not remember the last time I saw ANY press, good or bad, about a paintball scenario game (which is where you'd most likely see the use of these types of "realistic" gun kits).
Originally posted by Trench_Riader
Paintball began as a wargame and at it's most basic level it still is one.
ummm, i thought that paintball markers were first used to mark cows or trees or something... then people came up with the idea of a tag type elimination game; but in this game, using paintball markers, you could tag people from longer distances
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I know its a lie in saying "marker" to a degree. We are shooting paintball guns. It is the PC way to go about it, but I hate pc. We still say Cap Guns, and they dont shoot a projectile, and they arent considered very dangerous. But the image of a gun is thought to be bad. I live in a hippy city, and I tell everyone when I say I run through the forest shooting my friends with little balls of "Soy-based, biodegradable balls of soap." I actually have some of the hippies come play, and they have a blast. I guess the mere thought of getting dirty in the woods is always fun for a hippy.
I'm with Hi-Tek in what he was sayin that we need to not get these guns banned ever. I'd seriously cry... well, maybe sob a little, if they got banned. What would I do with all my spare time and money? I'd probably start heroin... yeah, tell the guy who bans them that we'll all start doing heroin if they pry our paintball guns away out of our cold dead fingers.
And anywhere PB gets bad press.. i hate it. My grandparents called paintballers, "damn kids with bb-guns" They heard on the news how people were getting thrown in jail for shooting paintball guns. That'd be outrageous if I got a good friend named bubba in jail just cause I enjoy this hobby/sport. Oh well, hopefully everything works out in the end. Cant we just blame all harsh things on smartparts?
Very slick looking conversions. If I was in the market for a new scenario marker I'd get that thompson. I imagine the sluggo bodied one has a sluggo in it because they had to mill out part of the body to fit inside the airsoft gun body.
I always find the war gamers give PB a bad name arguements amusing. The people giving PB a bad name are people that do stupid and unsafe things with markers or use them to assualt other people.
As far as calling it a gun or a marker..... Well, you call a glue gun a gun, you call a nail gun a gun - why not call a paint gun a gun? As far as Scenarioball (MILSIM, war-gamers etc.) giving paintball a bad name, I dont believe that is the case at all. If you compare the 2 groups you will find that the tourney/speedball people have that "crazy war-game" mentality whereas the Scenerioball/Recball people are there to have a good time and play an honest game. What gives paintball a bad name are the dumb arse kids who think its funny to drive around lighting up pedestrians while video taping it so that the media gets ahold of the tape, and plays it on the news!
That said, can someone tell me where I can get one of these modified Automags???
Wow, I can't believe I'm hearing this crap. I play speedball, but there's nothing wrong with woods/scenario. As Jack & Coke said, it's the fault of pranksters and bad media coverage that hurts the sport. I've met a lot of woods and scenario ballers who are way nicer and more friendly than the speedballers I play with. Also, those games are organized very well from my understanding and usually run pretty smoothly. I have no tolerance of people who are so ignorant that they feel woodsball is hurting the sport. If it weren't for woodsball there would be no paintball. PC is nice to an extent. When you get carried away with it and start taking away people's right to play how they want, then it becomes total bs.
my personal opinion is that markers looking like real guns is terrible for the sport, it just re-assures people who know nothing about the sport that it is violent with people re-enacting combat as if they were really killing people.
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