I thought autocockers could only do 10bps (video!)

[Animal Mother]

I remember in an interview with someone from Race Gun on PigTV saying that a cocker can only do 10bps due to the autocockers design. he said you can set the race frame past 10bps but "what's the point"

Then I saw this: http://www.teamatf.net/videos/racegun/RGP_512x409.zip

Damn! they say that's 20bps and it sure looks like it to me. It has no eye and you can see him chop one. But I have never seen a cocker that fast.

Again I say... DAMN!

[BajaBoy]

cockers are fast.. i dunno where your getting that from lol. There are Many vids of them doing 16+

[Animal Mother]

On PigTV, some guy from Race Gun was introducing the "new" Race Frame and said the cocker could only cycle 10 times per second due to the nature of the cocker...

damn.. someone has gotta have the link

[e mag]

i think with the stock parts they are limited to 13bps, but if you get lighter parts they can cycle faster.

[Animal Mother]

Well here is the huge thread on just that subject.. I bet the link to the video is womewhere in there: http://www.automags.org/forums/showt...e&pagenumber=1

[frntplayer]

eblade

an eblade cocker can do over 20 bps not cps with an eye with no choppin

[Brett23]

Yes they can. Any ways I think the limited bps thing may just be do to the machanical parts. Remember not only is the trigger frame replaced but also the 3/4 way. An electro pneumatic 3 way would beable to handle higher rates of fire, do to the fact electricity moves awhole hell of lot faster the a human finger or air. Course I could just be blowing smoke out my butt too.

[Animal Mother]

Ok... THIS is what the guy... from Race Gun said..

"Due to the machanical nature of the autococker you can only shoot 10bps, you can turn our race frame higher but what's the point, right?" then the interviewer chuckled and they both smiled and he went on to introduce his new Race Frame and talked about how they will have different grips for it in the future and the people that buy now can tade in their crappy grips etc. etc...

If that's not what he said.. find the clip from PigTV.. I was surprised myself since I thought an autococker could shoot fasterthan 10bps.

WTF?

[cphilip]

It will shoot faster but at some point it cannot recharge fast enough to give you a full velocity shot. So you can run it up there and get balls to come out but not consistently at the velocity you want. Past around 13 or so this gets evident. With some modifications you can get some of this out but at some point you risk chopping more as you have to run it at a higher pressure and thus a faster bolt speed to compensate for the recharge you need. I know of a few guys that have gotten thiers to a compromise of speed and little chopping at around 16 BPS with a Race frame. There is a tiny bit of drop off when they get ripping around that but seems to do fine as long as they have something like a Halo pushing the balls in to place.

[Hoplon]

Response to cphilip

Ebladed cockers have less drop off than most guns. Especially with a good reg and i high flow valve. On my ebladed cocker i have a sidewinder and a rat valve. I've never noticed any shootdown. I'm sure their is some but it's insignifigant.

I noticed that my bushmaster has shootdown and my buddie's angel did, but never my cocker(or emag for that matter).

As far as having to risk choping goes, i've been able to get into the 16bps range before i have to turn the lpr up so high that the gun can chop. I usually don't run it this high sense i only use a 12volt revy anyways. I've never been a fan of halos and warps.

I have no idea how fast the gun itself is capable of firing. I would estimate early 20's. It can fire much faster than i would ever need to in a game i know that much.

[Muzikman]

10bps seems a little low, but there is no way a cocker can shoot 20bps, the bolt open time would not be long enough. If you could get 20bps out of a cocker it would turn into a blender because the bolt speed would be really fast. There would also be no way to get a LP cocker to even fully cycle that fast. When I get home I'll talk with Nerobro and see if we can come up with some numbers.

[FalconGuy016]

Originally posted by Muzikman
10bps seems a little low, but there is no way a cocker can shoot 20bps, the bolt open time would not be long enough. If you could get 20bps out of a cocker it would turn into a blender because the bolt speed would be really fast. There would also be no way to get a LP cocker to even fully cycle that fast. When I get home I'll talk with Nerobro and see if we can come up with some numbers.

There are a lot of videos of it

[Muzikman]

What? A cocker shooting 20bps??? or 20cps???

[AzrealDarkmoonZ]

Why couldn't the bolt have plenty of time to cycle at 20BPS?

Az

[lew]

24.3 balls per second is the highest I've heard of.