Cheaters?

[PRPB]

Yeah, it was at Skirmish. And I did tell the one of the refs after the game (a guy I know fairly well) and he concurred that there was cheating, but simply that he couldn't be everywhere to catch it all.

The main problem I have with their refs is poor time management skills (although this guy was one of the really good ones). And the cheating also gives me headache.

Yeah every time I go to skirmish I see a lot of cheaters. Have you ever been to splatters a Jack frost mountain. It's not as big, but the place it great. Refs are a hell of a lot better and not as many cheaters.

http://www.jfbb.com/

[spider54]

well fatman.... unfortunately in tourney ball it is gettin to the point were u have to cheat to compete with the other teams.... and in tourneys the only teams that i really see call themselves out r the teams newer into tourneys.... its a joy to ref but after 1 or 2 more tourneys they realize that they rnt doin so well due to the fact that most the other teams r gettin double lives or something of the sort.... its only competitive

[rathbaster]

I've never experienced a level of cheating that you describe Albinonewt. If I did, I'd find another field to play at. Thats real world competition. (I think they call that market forces or some such thing.)

There's a field a few miles from my house which has had a horrible rep for many years for cheating, poor reffing, outrageous prices. I refused to ever play there. (It's under new management and has a new name so we'll see how it's changed.)

I cannot speak for tourney play as I have never played in a toruney or witnessed one. If wiping and cheating is that rampant that it's considered a "competative edge", I have no desire to.

[RusskiX]

I was very disappointed when my home field announced this year that the refs wont be responding to paintchecks anymore. When ever they announce this at the safety briefing I cringe since it is an open invitation for the wipers.

But to the larger point, is a good field a result of strict reffing or regular players who self-police? So far this year the refs have been pretty absent on my field, but I haven't seen a HUGE increase in cheating. There is always one person who wipes, but my friends and regulars tend to single this person out and get on their case on & off the field til he changes his ways or leaves.

So whats more important... refs or stand up regulars?

[Recon by Fire]

Stand up players

[845]

Rec ball cheaters are worse than TWiBs. You wanna see cheating play a local tourny. I have played some where you have to put 5 balls on a guy to make sure he goes out. Especially if you got bias refs going on. When you start playing local tournies you get to see the whole new perspective on how low some people are in the sport.

[adam shannon]

my local field may be behind the times with only 1 speedball field and 1 sup air they only set up a couple times a year...the rest woods. and their tourneys get maybe 10 teams for 3 and 5 man...but having filmed a couple of those for them the reffing was the only thing that was any good. they had at least 1 ref per player, and refs on each deadbox, start box, and the flag. there were more refs on the field than players.

ive heard enough nightmare stories about tourney reffing im actually eager to see the games at iao just to hopefully document some good wholesome PB cheating firsthand.

[845]

Actually at the IAO they seem to do a good job with cheating like wiping(or maybe the players are better at it ) you will only really see playing on. They better if I am paying $100 a case of Hellfire.

[AutomagRT1483]

At Blackrain Paintball here in Racine there is a lot of cheating going on. Wiping all over the place. We were in a 3-man tourney back in May at this place and a player, which was on the home team i might add, clearly wiped. Musta been like ten people that saw it including the ref. But the ref was also part of the home team so we got screwed outta 1st. Took 3rd due to the fact that they switched the last game around on us so instead of playing the home team we played some other one. To much politics going on in that place for my liking. They are supposedly having a 5-man here in the next couple weeks, but I am seriously considering boycotting it cause of their lack of presenting a good and fair for a players tournament.

[Albinonewt]

Originally posted by RusskiX
So whats more important... refs or stand up regulars?

At a field like Skirmish, where there can be up to (or more) then a thousand rentals in a day I'd say the refs are what's important. Even though there are plenty of regulars that are fair and understand the proper way to play they are almost always outnumbered by 10:1 or more. So in the case of places with high rates of first time or occasional players I'd say refs are more important.

But on a smaller field where each week its the same 50 people that play, I'd say the players are what's important.

[FatMan]

Originally posted by spider54
well fatman.... unfortunately in tourney ball it is gettin to the point were u have to cheat to compete with the other teams.... and in tourneys the only teams that i really see call themselves out r the teams newer into tourneys.... its a joy to ref but after 1 or 2 more tourneys they realize that they rnt doin so well due to the fact that most the other teams r gettin double lives or something of the sort.... its only competitive

I don't accept that explanation as a valid excuse. That may be why they claim to be doing it, but it does not change the fact that they are cheating.

Good reffing prevents this - especially in local tourneys. Unfortunately local tourneys are often reffed by local players who don't know how to ref. I've played in tourneys where refs stand around the sides and move out of the way when fire comes close. That's not reffing!

FatMan

[Lohman446]

Geez guys, that must just suck.

I play at two fields - Colors in Fremont often - most of the players there I see nearly every week, and calling each other out or yourself when hit is common - I am very happy.

I also play at Excalibur in Battle Creek in their big games. I am amazed at the amount of players who will ask for paintchecks - and get them from refs or other players. The other time I was down there I was pinned in a bunker close to the fort - I had dove in and thought I might be hit in the pack (now theres about 20 feet from my bunker to the fort). I called for a paintcheck, no ref - the players (ten or so) on my side of the fort - called a pause in action so one could come out and check - and they, as well as the three man team I was with, all paused for that - they then gave me the chance to surrender before we restarted - I declined and got flanked - but I am amazed at the sportsmanship/honesty in paintball in general on a very regular basis.

[goat]

I reff some weekends

I reff some weekends and we have one or two Players who come down that regularly cause us problems, there is nothing more frustrating for a person who plays paintball to reff and catch someone cheating.....because you have to be diplomatic about it.
then I get the chance to play every now and then, if the players mentioned are on the field I make it a point to be the one who sends them walking, GOGGLE SHOTS!!! thats the key! if you cant see you cant run, and then what are they gonna do...cheat when its a reff's paint on them?? lol.

goat

[Paintmonkey]

Originally posted by Crazy
sounds like a lot of recball complaints... when you play tourny ball you just learn to accept it and play on.

That's just crazy. You should NEVER accept cheating as part of the sport. It's INSANE for you even to think like that. Cheating is not going to become part of the sport. SPOKEN LIKE A TRUE CHEATER...

If you are out then get your *** out, you are hit, you are out, even if no one sees it...and if you think it's ok to cheat, then I hope you and I never have to play together.

[snoogans]

The refs at my field bust cheaters faster than u can say "pie revolution!"