!!!MOVE OVER X-MAG 45BPS ... but wait FROM A COCKER!!!

[Infection5]

Originally posted by Dayspring
Not even that, but don't forget that NO valve out there besides the RT valve can do a FULL charged shot after 20+bps. Sure, the Timmy or whatever can hit a nice ROF. But their shot to shot consistency and velocity will be all over the place.

RT valve is STILL king.

That was true up untill this year. The speed can shoot paint at 30bps with no drop off.

[Doc Nickel]

Originally posted by Dayspring
Not even that, but don't forget that NO valve out there besides the RT valve can do a FULL charged shot after 20+bps. Sure, the Timmy or whatever can hit a nice ROF. But their shot to shot consistency and velocity will be all over the place.

RT valve is STILL king.

No, you have that wrong.

When the RT came out, it was the only regulator that could recharge that fast.

However, as far as a 'Cocker is concerned, who says you need a reg? Plug a tank of CO2 in there, straight from the bottle, and the only restriction to "recharge" rates would be the physical size of the air passages- which, I don't need to say, are far larger than the passages through most regulators- including the RT.

That would mean that the real, physical limit to a 'Cocker valve would be how fast it can open and close. I'd guess- and it's only a guess- that with 800 psi behind it (normal unregged CO2) it can open and close in less than 5 ms.

The RT reg is still the documented king, but there are almost certainly faster valves.

Doc.

[Daroy99]

I don't see the reason in arguing over such high balls per second. I mean, seriously, a gun is a gun, and who really needs to fire that fast? I hold my own with 8bps....and its fine.

[rx2]

From the first clip, which claims 45 cycles without paint, I counted 37 cycles in one second. However, I accidentaly copied my Photoshop screen instead of pasting my Pro Tools screen-shot into Photoshop, so I don't have the image. However, I can say without a doubt that it was at 37 cycles in the first clip. There may have been a point in which it was a little higher, or lower, but the maximum number of cycles in one second was 37.

I should note that the sound quality is horrid. Please, do not record clips in warehouses, parking lots between buidlings, or in dumpsters! It creates an echo that makes it harder to find the real cycles. In fact, to the untrained ear, it is sort of like cheating, as it makes the marker sound faster (like a guitarist using delay).

[GT]

Originally posted by Doc Nickel


The RT reg is still the documented king, but there are almost certainly faster valves.

Doc.

[Jack & Coke]

45?

Where's the beef?



Sure 37 is FAST! But what's with the false claims of 45?

[lack of grace]

Originally posted by Dayspring
RT Valve has been out for over 3 years. Hasn't been bested yet.

This is coming from one that thinks i am a metal head cause i have tattoos.

You are likely the biggest moron ive ever met...

[Dayspring]

Um... I met you ONCE. And talked to you even less than that. Thought you were a nice guy. Liked your Eblade. But calling me a moron? Tsk tsk. That's poor form.

Originally posted by lack of grace


This is coming from one that thinks i am a metal head cause i have tattoos.

You are likely the biggest moron ive ever met...

[lack of grace]

Originally posted by Dayspring
Um... I met you ONCE. And talked to you even less than that. Thought you were a nice guy. Liked your Eblade. But calling me a moron? Tsk tsk. That's poor form.

speaking my mind is poor form on AO? Because I don't have 5000 posts????

Back to the point.....You're a moron for thinking nothing will ever be released that is faster than a retro valve. That is likely the most rediculous thing ive ever read on these forums.

Think about it in lines of computers. right now the fastest processor in the market is what, 4ghz? how long till that is exstinct????

plenty of markers can cycle just as fast now never mind later.

[GT]

Originally posted by lack of grace


speaking my mind is poor form on AO? Because I don't have 5000 posts????

Back to the point.....You're a moron for thinking nothing

No its yout lack of vocab. No need to call people names.

[adam shannon]

Originally posted by Infection5



That was true up untill this year. The speed can shoot paint at 30bps with no drop off.

maybe im just trying to pick a fight...but isnt that no drop off except the first shot? i know 2 guys with first run speeds that are starting a team called FSDO.

[Dayspring]

1) You apparently got some sort of REAL issue. I suggest you deal. I haven't said one harsh word towards you at all.

2) As of right now, other guns can cycle real fast. Fine and dandy. But as of now, none of them as far as anybody knows is a FULL recharged shot at their upper limits. When the RT gets beat, that's cool. But it hasn't happened yet.

Originally posted by lack of grace


speaking my mind is poor form on AO? Because I don't have 5000 posts????

Back to the point.....You're a moron for thinking nothing will ever be released that is faster than a retro valve. That is likely the most rediculous thing ive ever read on these forums.

Think about it in lines of computers. right now the fastest processor in the market is what, 4ghz? how long till that is exstinct????

plenty of markers can cycle just as fast now never mind later.

[lack of grace]

Originally posted by Dayspring
1) You apparently got some sort of REAL issue. I suggest you deal. I haven't said one harsh word towards you at all.

No, I really don't. The only reason i said anything harsh to you at all is because you have no clue what your talking about (ie - "Not even that, but don't forget that NO valve out there besides the RT valve can do a FULL charged shot after 20+bps. Sure, the Timmy or whatever can hit a nice ROF. But their shot to shot consistency and velocity will be all over the place.

RT valve is STILL king."

One of the most retarded things ive ever heard on this forum.

Originally posted by Dayspring

2) As of right now, other guns can cycle real fast. Fine and dandy. But as of now, none of them as far as anybody knows is a FULL recharged shot at their upper limits.

You like your $1500 spec bodied emag. But again false. for example - angel speed, aka viking, aka excalibur, well tuned race or eblade, timmy, impulse, matrix, TIPPMAN!

[nerobro]

keep in mind that the mag can only recharge when the gun is DONE cycling. A cocker or spyder is recharging constantly.

a mag can do 26 without recharging all the time. That leaves less than 20ms to recharge the AIR chamber. :-) that would mean a cocker could do 52 with the same reg.

the RT is the fastest REG on the market... not the fastest valve ;-) the actual gun finishes it's cycle in 20ms... or thereabouts. (bolt travel to reset) about the same as a spyder but the doesn't need time to refill the air chamber.

[*ArKfEaR*]

Sadly its only 37 CPS, but reguardless its a constant consistant string of 37. No shoot down, constant shots, thats still amazing reguardless of false claims.