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  • nerobro
    Registered User
    • Oct 2001
    • 923

    #1

    Mechanical gun comeback?

    Well, the ULE trigger is coming. I wonder if X-ball and it's demand on reliablity, and *hopefully* tightening restrictions on electronic triggers will bring back a resurgance in mechancial guns.

    It seems people have forgotten that cockers can be made with buttery smooth and superlight trigers. though this would re-introduce the idea of shortstroking.

    The matrix was designed as a mechanical gun. It could easily be sold as one if the market demanded it. (heck it would be cheaper to produce even...) though it could be shortstroked.

    The new omen, PMI has been toying with the idea of releasing it as a mechanical gun as well. This setup could not be shortstroked. (that's the advantage of sear trippers, once you trip the sear, the gun takes care of the rest... just like an electrogun)

    The rainmaker could be done as a purely mechanical design too. Though this could be shortstroked as well.....

    mechanical guns won't give boys their 20bps, but they will give them rock solid reliablity, or at worst "soft" failures. Like a mag's powertube, on/off top or bottom o-ring going. or the o-ring in a cocker (or matrix in this case) o-ring. Instead of the gun just going "dead" because of a sticky solinoid, or some other crazy problem.

    Has anyone thought about what it would take to make a mechanical frame for one of the electronics dependant guns? (I have... many differnet possiablitys down that road)

    Long live the Mechanical gun???
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  • FalconGuy016
    Divine Right, Pevs @ AG
    • Aug 2002
    • 6127

    #2
    I think most electro guns are very reliable
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    • cphilip
      Former Moderator

      • Jun 2026
      • 16216

      #3
      I am hearing ya Nero....Bro... heh...

      I am playing with my RTP more and more now. I can see the ability and affordability to have two mechanical markers for the cost of one Electro. And the ablility to set each one up kinda different for different positions but also being able to pull a Valve assembly out and slap it into the other marker and go on if a problem develops. Giveing you time to then go back and fix that other one later when you can. I find myself being able to do all I need to do with that RTP. I mean three quick shots is all anyone needs. I hear ya. I am thinking more and more along these lines in my "kit" as Simon would say. I mean two RTP's = 1400. One X Mag = 1400.... get it?

      Long live mechanicals!


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      • ß.C.
        Registered User
        • Jan 2002
        • 1921

        #4
        Wait . . . don't the majority of people on mechanical guns? If so why do they have to make a "come back" I agree with you totally on the mechanical thing. I love AGD and the E/Xmags but I try to make my guns use the least amount of electronics. Heck, there should be mechanical hoppers

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        • RRfireblade

          • Jun 2002
          • 5103

          #5
          Heck, there should be mechanical hoppers
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          • nerobro
            Registered User
            • Oct 2001
            • 923

            #6
            Allthough it takes us off subject, we do have air powered hoppers. the hoppers on A5's. The classic RT had that special rail to support air powered accessorys as well.

            Back to the original subject though. I know newer players play with mechanaical guns. I was refering to the tourny circut. I've seen LOTS of electrical related issues with guns ;-) Stuff my mag or cocker just never does.
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            • m-98
              Lazy
              • Mar 2003
              • 331

              #7
              It would be nice to see more mechanical guns out there.

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              • Python14
                Norsk
                • Jun 2001
                • 3343

                #8
                My entire team shoots electros, except for me, I shoot a classic mag with chucks freak and no-rise. Otherwise, it's two lasoyas and a mag.


                I don't really think it's a come back though, because more and more teams are shooting electros predominately....I mean, the only NXL team that features mechs are aftershock, and they only have a few.
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                • Lohman446
                  Useful posts: 7
                  • Jun 2003
                  • 9315

                  #9
                  How about it - an air powered hopper for mags - I would buy one just to be rid of all batteries on my gun. Of course, Im sure someone at AGD looks at my "If... then... I would buy" rate and realized I have not bought anything knew - ever except my ULE body that RogueFactor was nice enough to sell it.
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                  • Miscue
                    Super Moderator

                    • Oct 2000
                    • 7105

                    #10
                    I suck on a mechanical trigger. If I can shoot comfortably with the ULE Trigger... I'll put away my EMag.

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                    • Brak
                      POOP
                      • Sep 2002
                      • 1996

                      #11
                      Originally posted by FalconGuy016
                      I think most electro guns are very reliable
                      mines not. and it pisses me off.
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                      • gtrsi
                        Automag?
                        • Dec 2001
                        • 5786

                        #12
                        I am probally as fast on a mech mag than on an electro.... thus why I am building a ,mech mag, duh.
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                        • ß.C.
                          Registered User
                          • Jan 2002
                          • 1921

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Lohman446
                          How about it - an air powered hopper for mags - I would buy one just to be rid of all batteries on my gun. Of course, Im sure someone at AGD looks at my "If... then... I would buy" rate and realized I have not bought anything knew - ever except my ULE body that RogueFactor was nice enough to sell it.
                          Would it be possible to make a hopper work on cranks? It would probably chop without a sensor, but it might work if some genius got thinking. The A5 thing is interesteding but I have never shot it so I would have no clue how good it actually is.

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                          • Automaggin2
                            Registered User
                            • Sep 2002
                            • 2506

                            #14
                            Re: Mechanical gun comeback?

                            Originally posted by nerobro

                            ....cockers can be made with buttery smooth and superlight trigers. though this would re-introduce the idea of shortstroking.


                            Not true. You can make a autococker trigger superlight and short. Some people claim they can get a cocker down to 1 mm pull, but i have personally seen 1.5 mm trigger pull on a cocker.
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                            • Automaggin2
                              Registered User
                              • Sep 2002
                              • 2506

                              #15
                              Heck, there should be mechanical hoppers


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