New Gun Coming out from Off the Break

[Ov3rmind]

Originally Posted on IOG by joshuagore
Its not a sear tripper, or a spool valve, and the hammer is not connected to the bolt. Its light, 1.5 lbs without barrel.

This sounds like it has potential, and I like the way it looks so far (reminds me of the Nerve). Most importantly, by his description it also sounds like a new internal design (maybe similar to the Excalibur?).

[RRfireblade]

Not enough info to speculate so I won't.

Looks like an Imp as I would expect from OTB.

Christmas '03

From OTB? HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA.......

They could mean 2103 I guess.

Jay.

[Ov3rmind]

I don't really see how it looks like an Imp, and by their description it'll function different then an Imp (and Angels, Bushys, Vikings, etc.).

[RRfireblade]

To me.....

It's looks like a single tube Imp.

Milled bottom section for board or soleniod, hammer assembly out the back w/ an inline bolt.Since OTB is Impulse oriented it would seems likly,and fit with the description.

Jay.

[CoFFeY[NiTrO]]

I can see the IMPY-ness

[Ov3rmind]

RRFireblade, That's an aweful lot to assume.

However, if it did turn out like you suggested, I think the inline hammer and bolt would still make it shoot/perform differently. That's especially if they are not connected (leaves the door open for closed bolt operation).

Look at Smart Parts, they did some earlier Mag "upgrades". However the Shocker and the Impulse aren't exactly Mag Like guns.

[RRfireblade]

Originally posted by RRfireblade
Not enough info to speculate so I won't.

But you probed.....

It looks fine.

Let's see a working proto and then lets talk.

Single tube alone would be neat, other than that all hammer/valve based guns function basically the same.Performance is usally based more on quality of the components and range of acceptable tolerances.

Jay.

[Ov3rmind]

Originally posted by RRfireblade


But you probed.....

It looks fine.

Let's see a working proto and then lets talk.

Single tube alone would be neat, other than that all hammer/valve based guns function basically the same.Performance is usally based more on quality of the components and range of acceptable tolerances.

Jay.

I agree, we should probably wait until there is a working prototype out with some statistics before we go into this any further.

Still, not all hammer/valve based guns function/feel/perform basically the same. Compare the Angel to the AutoCocker, they are both very different markers that work around that concept. Just wait a little while and lets see how it turns out.

[RRfireblade]

Originally posted by RRfireblade


all hammer/valve based guns function basically the same.Performance is usally based more on quality of the components and range of acceptable tolerances.

"function" not feel/perform.

Angels and cockers basically "function" the same.

Hammer strike valve

soleniod/ram move bolt

air flows through and down barrel

Not neccesarily in that order.:)

'course there's more than one way to do it.

Jay.

[Ov3rmind]

Well, if you put it that way, then all paintball guns function similarly. In some aspects, the hammerless Mag even shares a similar design to an Angel (even more so than a Cocker in some ways). I guess it's just where you want to draw the line in terms of an original design.

I'm just saying for this gun, since it's not going to be the exact same internal design as many others guns currently out (you know, the electropneumatic, stacked tubed, open bolt, ram-bolts: Timmy, Angel, Bushy, Impy, etc.), that maybe it's something to watch for.

[Brak]

i dont care how it works, it looks pretty freakin sweet, and the gripframe is the coolest

[Ov3rmind]

The 1.5 lbs without barrel will be sweet (if memory serves me right, the new 03 Shocker will be the only other electro to weigh this little). I'm thinking DYE UL Barrel, CP Gas Through, 03 Conquest, and an Empire Reloader. That setup would be so damn light, snapshooting would be a dream.:)

I still want to hear more though. The 90 degree frame was such a good idea, that's one of the other things that really turns me to this gun. And despite the fact that there's no ano yet (some gloss fades would look awesome), I love the way this gun looks (especially the sleek curves of the uppermost part of the body ).

Ok, I got some more info. There are 3 models that are estimated to run for $350 to $850 (nothing is set though).

Here is some more info:

Originally Posted by joshuagore on IOG
The three Models are the Advent, Advent S(shown) and the Advent GTS.

Here are the specs.


Advent-

- Integrated Delrin Internals
- Vert Frame
- iQ adjustable dwell, and maximum ROF
Your Fingers are the limit!
- Slim Line body Milling (2lbs. without barrel)
- Gladiator Inline Reg
- 2-piece barrel
- APS capable

Advent S-

- Integrated Delrin Internals
- Vert Frame
- iQ - adjustable dwell, and maximum ROF
Your Fingers are the limit!
- Feather Weight body (1.5lbs. without barrel and regulator)
- Gladiator Inline Reg
- 2-peice barrel
- APS - Advanced Paint Sensing

Advent GTS-

- Integrated Delrin Internals
- Vert Frame
- Low Force - Low impact bolt system
- iQ.lcd - adjustable dwell, ROF, APS, and Debounce
Live ROF and game timer
Your Fingers are the limit!
- Ultra Light body (1.3lbs. without barrel and regulator)
- Gladiator Inline Reg
- 7 Piece barrel system 4 backs 3 fronts
- APS - Advanced Paint Sensing


As far as milling goes the Advent will be a basic gun just enough milling to make it light. The Advent S is as is, Ov3rmind said it best as "elegant" It is very much Styled like a BMW, understated.
The advent GTS will be a bit more wild very much styled like the new Ferrari Enzo.

As far as how it works, It works well.
We have a good 4 monthes more in development befor we hit perfection.

If they turn out to perform well, I'd probably spring for an Advent S and put some money into a set of CP Barrels.

[Animal Mother]

Their promo picture was taken on a bed liner..

Not a lot of faith here, lol.

[fcpchop]

looks great to me

[Surreal]

WOW, alot of flamers already. they've seen 1 unfinished pic of the gun, and they are jumping to conclusions. lol. i guess anything that's not a mag gets flamed over here.

it's going to be an open bolt electro, and the price range will be from 350 (Advent) to 850 (advent GTS). i personally would prefer the S model, right in between. i'm not really into LCD crap.

i can guarantee i'll be an owner of one of these in the somewhat near future, probably one of the first advent owners :) the gun seems promising, i really want to hear how it is on effeciency. they have macdev designing their lpr from what i hear, so that should be NICE.

guys, i'm just begging you, don't flame this gun yet. give it a chance to prove itself, then say whatever you want. giving a bad word on small companies that are fairly new on the scene really can hurt their business, but the more guns that are available, the more diverse our sport will grow. *sings* give peace a chance...