AGD to make LP gun?

[WarBUCKs]

Just wondering about the recent thread regarding Angel LPRs if AGD might step into the Low Pressure Arena? If they are, I am sure most of the information is Top Secret SCI clearance stuff anyway. Bravo Zulu if they are.

[cphilip]

What good would you gain from lower than a tad under 400 psi combined with the fastest recharging marker on the planet? Slower recharge and more shoot down? Or a much larger marker like one of the ones you listed to handle a much larger air chamber in order to say you are lower pressure? Other than all those negatives what positive would you realy gain? The ability to shoot a little more air out of a tank? Aren't tanks getting bigger capacity? Is that worth all the negatives?

[FalconGuy016]

Originally posted by cphilip
Is that worth all the negatives?

No... lol

[68magOwner]

i happen to own my mag, then my "beast" the beast runs at 125, i dunno exactly what the mag is ~700? anyway, if i shoot all i can get out of a tank woth my mag, then uncerew it (not releasing any air out of the tank due to on/off drop) then screw the same tank into my low pressure "beast", i get about ~15 extra shots.....it really isnt worth the negative at all, when you really think about it

[cphilip]

yep... when you consider it all you have to think its not realy worth it. LP does not mean Low Total Gas Use Per Shot. Its a common misconception. In many respects the Mag is already LP... to a degree. At the face of the ball that is. And its total air dump per shot is not realy that much different than any other marker. LP = better is somewhat of a myth in the way most people tend to think of it. Its not always better than some other design and choices.

[Matt_mg]

LP is good for rams and the like (pinching balls and stuff) ... otherwise it's cons outweight it's pros...

[breg]

Here is how I look at it: AGD has one of the best systems out there. Few moving parts, a recharge rate from hell, a simple and easy to maintain modular design, reliability you can bank on, etc.
To make a LP marker would be akin to "Not leaving well enough alone."
Not to say that they couldn't, but why bother? They have a proven design, why change to take part of the latest trend? Think of the countless hours sepnt on R&D to put that funky paint slinger in our collective sweaty hands, how they made almost every mod able to retrofit into any of the markers that they make.

[*ArKfEaR*]

LP has alot of benefits, the problem is all the mag hippys think its just hype cause there mags aren't.

1. Less recoil, less bolt force is needed so in turn less recoil.

2. Brittle paint is shot better

3. If you have a good flowing LP setup you will be much more consistant

4. More consistant means more shots per fill (excluding orignal matrix and shocker, as werent too high flowing)

5. Smoother cycling gun



These were all the things I experienced with my amazing cocker. It ran so well, and was so consistant.
Cphilip, slower recharge and shootdown? Where did you pull that out of. Thats the biggest bunch of horse petuty i have ever heard, thats no different than any uneducated person saying cockers shooter more accurately than mags (even though they do )

But all in all I think for the A.I.R Valve Regulator or RT Valve, X-Valve, etc. to become in someway or another of a lower operating pressure would make AGD do a completely new design on the reg itself. Cause I think as of now just the way the gun operates it isnt possible, so just leave it cause they shoot fine now.

[f3rr3+]

[TheJester]

pressure behind ball

Originally posted by Jack & Coke




Nope.

You're guesses are close to 100% incorrect.

From: http://www.automags.org/forums/showt...threadid=34429

matrix = around 45
angel = around 90
cocker = around 105
impulse = around 60
mag = around 55

[Surreal]

impulse, 60? um, i don't know about that. it's USUALLY anywhere between 140-200 PSI coming out of the maxflo, and there's no reg after that regulating the air behind the ball. me thinks you be wrong.

[JAM]

I don't care what pressure, just imporve effieciency... i play all day with a 3000psi fill on my cocker, i could play all day with 4500psi and my speed, but my XMag would take 2 fills to make it through- all with similar #'s of shots...

[TheTramp]

Originally posted by Surreal
impulse, 60? um, i don't know about that. it's USUALLY anywhere between 140-200 PSI coming out of the maxflo, and there's no reg after that regulating the air behind the ball. me thinks you be wrong.

Except for the many people who have put LPR's on their Imps.

[Surreal]

wrong. the lpr just changes the bolt pressure, not the actual pressure shooting the ball. actually, when you add an lpr to your gun, that UPS your valve pressure, and LOWERS your bolt pressure. my bolt is running at 60 psi currently, and 170 psi inlet shooting 280 fps

[TheTramp]

Originally posted by Surreal
wrong. the lpr just changes the bolt pressure, not the actual pressure shooting the ball. actually, when you add an lpr to your gun, that UPS your valve pressure, and LOWERS your bolt pressure. my bolt is running at 60 psi currently, and 170 psi inlet shooting 280 fps

I forgot about that. You're absolutly right. As soon as the LPR run Ram hits the valve the total input pressure from the Max-Flo goes through the bolt to push the ball.

Good point. :o