Does anyone else find this annoying?

[LittlePaintballBoy]

Originally posted by Carbon
Its not like us DUR folks eat children and have blood sacrifices.

lol nice analogy

[lack of grace]

Originally posted by PissedGodzilla
has anybody actually read the DUR creed? It is a way of thinking about new players and all players as one group, together. what's wrong with it.... Alot of plyays today don't believe in helping out a noob, thre DUR does... Remember that.

Whats wrong with it is it didn't come for most of your minds..It came from Tom Kayes and you all are so sure you "believe" in what he denoted himself passionate about.

Don't deny that 3/4's of you havent posted derogatory statements in regards to other users for asking simple questions or just being a newbie or something like "Don't get a cocker get a mag!" Look up your member names and search your posts, I'm sure youll be surprized.

So my final comment on this, then I'm going to forget I ever saw this. - If you feel the need to be part of something then fine, that is your perogative. I frankly think that it's rediculous.

As George Carlin so finely put it - "Symbols are for the Simple minded."

[vdo_game_junkie]

I agree with lamby, we are in the same generation. I tried to say something similar in one ot the other threads but not nearly as eloquent.

In regards to DUR, there is nothing wrong with the idea, belief, life-style, philosophy, etc. No one has any problem with that, it's this club thing. If you live/act in that manner then great you ARE part of the so called "revolution". You don't need to be part of a club to tell you that you are or aren't. When you read posts that say "if TK is in then I'm in", or "can i be member number XX" or "why is xxx in but i posted before him". Do they get it? It's like those people that get in line at a convention because there is a line forming without any idea of what the line is for.

Yes there are other clubs on the forum like Pie and Capo, etc. But those are basically "fan" clubs. So do you want to represet the idea, philosophy, belief etc of DUR as a "fan" club? or promote your sport by the way you live your life?

[Dryden]

I think some AO'ers are misrepresenting or over analyzing what the "club" started as, and what the "revolution" ended up becomming, at least in the sense of a timeline. It was a "club," or appeared to be one - like Capo or PIE - when Carbon posted the "When Mags become mainstream" thread and included the comment "I'm gonna start my own flippin' club!"

It did not fully evolve to DUR until after TK's two posts, the Creed and the Modus.

What I think is most interesting about how quickly all this occured - is there any doubt Das Untermag would've been dead in a day without TK's post and stickeying the thread? - is that it parallels the announcement of the Smart Parts patent(s)/lawsuit(s).

I know TK has made several posts clearly stating that the "Revolution" was not to be used in connection with any action/boycott of Smart Parts. However, AGD (I mean the company, not the individual) has, to this day, been very liberal about sharing the technologies that have been developed in their offices. AirGun Designs, for the 10+ years I've known of the company and seen AutoMags in action, has always stood behind the concept of openess, free-flow and exchange of information for the betterment of the sport. This is the direct antithesis of Smart Parts - or to be fair, most people's opinions of SP.

I think there is a parellel between the wildfires of DUR and SP's patent lawsuit rumors. The wordings of both the Creed and the Modus, and the timings of their release, are ... ironic(?) given the current state of the industry.

[cphilip]

It doesn't bother me any more than people whinin about it does...

[lack of grace]

or mods that say things like that just cause they are mods and they can, expecting everyone else to shutup in fear of getting banned.

[cphilip]

Did I threaten you? Its my opinion. Take it or leave it... Oh wait! You wanna whine about that too?

[lack of grace]

I think I'll leave it...

[cphilip]

Thats fine... see nothing realy suprises me more than seeing people coming on the internet and not being able to just ignore things they do not like. I mean guys...its the internet. And complaining about them is like arguing with a stump. Its not gonna make any difference in the world of things. People gotta learn to ignore and control what is withing thier own sphear of influence. Its all you can do.

I ignore most of that kinda stuff. And just look for it to be within the rules or not on here because I am charged with that duty. But beyond that I just ignore when I can. If I feel compelled to argue I never ever assume it's gonna make a difference. And never take it personal.

[lack of grace]

...dont forget that you to where unable to keep your opinions to yourself.

I didn't foget... I clearly stated it

Originally posted by cphilip
I ignore most of that kinda stuff....But beyond that I just ignore when I can. If I feel compelled to argue I never ever assume it's gonna make a difference.

One of the main reasons for stepping in on this one is to defuse a potential flame. And the entire point of this thread is to critisize a particular group so there is great potential there for it to escalate to that. So I move in and try and calm things down when I see that. Get it?

Complaining about what others do is not gonna make much difference is my point. As long as they are having fun and not breaking any rules why do you realy care? And what these guys are doing doesn't bother me. Nor what you are doing doesn't either. Maybe you misinterpreted what I said to mean they both bothered me? I suspect so...

[Carbon]

Whats wrong with it is it didn't come for most of your minds..It came from Tom Kayes and you all are so sure you "believe" in what he denoted himself passionate about.

Who cares where it came from... You cant deny people have had sentiments of a unified/ relatively well informed paintball community from the begining. It could of been Joe Schmoe that started the DUR, and the movement probably would of not rocketed they way it did. SO what. The fact is someone would of eventualy posted a simmilar creed or modus and people still would of joined. Why? 'Cause its an underlining of the human condition to want to help. Maybe its because the true DURist know it is NOT an elitist's revolution. For those who know the DUR is not about TK.

I cant deny the TK's celebrity like status accelrated the movement, so? If ya dont wanna join the DUR because it aint "you" thats fine! Hell, why doesent someone start an Anti DUR? And if your sick of the DUR, dont worry, we wont hurt you, we're not gonna slashs tires. If anything we'll help ya put new ones on.

Chuff!

[lack of grace]

Originally posted by Carbon


Who cares where it came from... You cant deny people have had sentiments of a unified/ relatively well informed paintball community from the begining. It could of been Joe Schmoe that started the DUR, and the movement probably would of not rocketed they way it did. SO what. The fact is someone would of eventualy posted a simmilar creed or modus and people still would of joined. Why? 'Cause its an underlining of the human condition to want to help. Maybe its because the true DURist know it is NOT an elitist's revolution. For those who know the DUR is not about TK.

I cant deny the TK's celebrity like status accelrated the movement, so? If ya dont wanna join the DUR because it aint "you" thats fine! Hell, why doesent someone start an Anti DUR? And if your sick of the DUR, dont worry, we wont hurt you, we're not gonna slashs tires. If anything we'll help ya put new ones on.

Chuff!

HAHAHAHA!!!! Go listen to rage against the machine!

Did any of you see him in his gap clothes in the new pepsi commercial!?!?! HAHAHAHAH Now thats funny!

[beam]

Re: Re: Does anyone else find this annoying?

Originally posted by Hasty8

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Take a few beers, watch the Discovery channel and feel right again brother.

Minus the beers part, this is possibly the most intelligent thing I have heard in a loooong time.

As for everyone getting all worked up about DUR. Regardless of whether you are for it or against it or indifferent, you all need to realize that it is just a name for something that has existed since the beginning of these forums and will exist long after the symbols and creeds fade away. This is evidenced in the numerous threads that created the need for Deep Blue and other specialized forums.

I will not claim membership in the defined concept as I feel I am already a part of the genuine movement. And that membership started when I joined these forums years ago. I don't need to announce that I am a member, but rather just quietly go about my quest to learn more about the sport of paintball, the equipment, the game, etc.

Don't let this be something that divides, just ignore it like most of us do.

[lack of grace]

Originally posted by Carbon


Who cares where it came from... You cant deny people have had sentiments of a unified/ relatively well informed paintball community from the begining. It could of been Joe Schmoe that started the DUR, and the movement probably would of not rocketed they way it did. SO what. The fact is someone would of eventualy posted a simmilar creed or modus and people still would of joined. Why? 'Cause its an underlining of the human condition to want to help. Maybe its because the true DURist know it is NOT an elitist's revolution. For those who know the DUR is not about TK.

I cant deny the TK's celebrity like status accelrated the movement, so? If ya dont wanna join the DUR because it aint "you" thats fine! Hell, why doesent someone start an Anti DUR? And if your sick of the DUR, dont worry, we wont hurt you, we're not gonna slashs tires. If anything we'll help ya put new ones on.

Chuff!

You join a club because you "Want to help."? Come on man...are you kidding me..

[cphilip]

Dang it! I did it again. I hit the edit botton instead of the reply button!!!! Argggg...

Long day. Sorry about that LoG...