Mouse Trap Trigger

[RRfireblade]

I think the deal there is the on/off,even in the ULT that's still the primary weight of the trigger.The sear/bolt relationship currently can be fitted for a far lighter pull the the on/off requires.

Jay.

[Miscue]

I was thinking of something like this...

Have some spring loaded deal that locks into position after the retro kicks it out. Then let the trigger actuate this, and not the sear. And once again, I think that you might have to also lock the sear, and the bolt unlocks it on the return... Maybe put a lip on the sear, so the bolt helps push the sear back into place, along with the ULT on/off... recocking the mouse trap.

[hitech]

Originally posted by Miscue
I was thinking of something like this...

Now that I see what you mean it looks like a good idea. Adds a little complication, but has possibilities...

[Miscue]

What I was thinking too is... if this works, you could throw a small solenoid in there somewhere and have both mech and E-Mode... using a small 9v driven solenoid.

[RRfireblade]

OK,
5 mins of design so bear with it......


Trigger rod trips disconnector....

Spring force trips sear and on/off link and fires gun...

Gun fires,Reactive force resets trigger thru on/off link and disconnector resets from it's own spring force....

During stroke,trigger rod ramps over disconnector allowing reset regardless of trigger position and when trigger is released spring force drops rod back in behind disconnector.

Allows for all stock valve (no ULT on/off) all milled into ULT Intelliframe.

Jay.

[Miscue]

Latch also serves as disconnector

[CrazyLad]

haha brings back memories when my brother touched a mouse trap and it closed on his pinky! ahahhahaha good times good times..Oh yeah good idea too.

[nerobro]

that kind of trigger is already in use. A small amount of force is arleady controling a huge amount of force. A cocker sear, A spyder sear, a mag sear. The mag sear is holding back something like eighty pounds of force in the L7. but it only requires six pounds to release it. with the ule trigger you're talking less than one pound.

The real problem with "hair trigger" triggers is that they arne't very stable. the settings dont' last long. Ask guys who've done the really radical trigger jobs on spyders or cockers. The closer you come to the gun firing itself the closer you get to it just not working.

wow... the IAO class just came in handy ;-) Q were you at the class?

[Miscue]

No, missed it. I just don't want to believe that there isn't a sneaky way to make a reliable hair trigger... maybe it hasn't been figured out yet.

[nerobro]

well... if you're willing to go with a longer trigger pull... we can do a LOT. if you stick with a gun that doesn't have "timing" you can do some pretty crazy things.

Hmm.... are we sticking to mags?

[luke]

Originally posted by Miscue
What I was thinking too is... if this works, you could throw a small solenoid in there somewhere and have both mech and E-Mode... using a small 9v driven solenoid.

Wouldn't it also make a electronic Z-Grip possible?

[RRfireblade]

Originally posted by nerobro
that kind of trigger is already in use. A small amount of force is arleady controling a huge amount of force. A cocker sear, A spyder sear, a mag sear. The mag sear is holding back something like eighty pounds of force in the L7. but it only requires six pounds to release it. with the ule trigger you're talking less than one pound.

The real problem with "hair trigger" triggers is that they arne't very stable. the settings dont' last long. Ask guys who've done the really radical trigger jobs on spyders or cockers. The closer you come to the gun firing itself the closer you get to it just not working.

wow... the IAO class just came in handy ;-) Q were you at the class?

Actually that's not true or really the point,
First off,all those guns still trip the sear directly with the trigger.A true "hair" trigger is not even possible in that manner do to the extremly poor tolerances in a sliding hammer/sear system and the beating that that relationship takes during normal use.You'd have to mate the sear to the hammer to a degree that is just not possible in a paintgun built to typical industry standards (or AGD).
My "5 min" design eliminates that whole issue by seperating the hammer/sear mating from the trigger/disconnector relationship allowing it to have a MUCH higher degree of precision and not subject to any of the abuse typically seen,making a "hair" trigger not only possible but easily as reliable/stable as any other trigger assembly only far lighter and shorter.I think this has never been mass produced do to the complex fitting of the final assembly and the fact that way back when,who would have thought you'd have to compete with sub 1mm and 1/2 oz
electro triggers.(but you could if wanted to. )

Mine is just one possible way to achieve this,it could be configured many ways.

Jay.

[personman]

Wow.. this could really be a way to stick a log up Smart Parts rear.. If they acceive their goal and they are the only electro producing company, and Miscue or AGD or someone whips out this thing, there could be some major ownage

BTW this DEFENTALLY would be something you would want to patent!!!!

[Xerces]

it seems that if you use springs to return it to the cocked position it would require alot more force than the recoil and excess of what a hpa powered paintballgun can offer. the whole gunpowder thing offers quite abit more force than a paintball gun. however i could see it working, if you lose massive amounts of gas efficiency