The "unpractical" Emag

[rdb123]

http://pbnation.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=291493

Taken from PBN post
I have a little gripe with idea of the best gun being purely personal preference....

...For example, an Emag, instead of designing a new valve of some sort to use electricity to it's fullest advantage. They just took a huge solenoid, stuck it in a grip, with an even bigger battery to back it up. I hope you all can realize how unpractical this is, when guns like Impulse's and Matrix's last for thousands of shots on 1 9v battery. Just to clarify, my gripe is not that I dislike changing batteries, it is that I frown upon a design that is so inefficient in it's use of resources.

"I agree with you opn the Emag/Xmag horrible guns."

[Steelrat]

Actually, I think AGD missed a tremendous opportunity with this, also.

My Viking is made up mostly of air chambers, rams, etc etc. The mags take this whole setup and compress it into the tiny retrovalve. Imagine what a light gun AGD could make if they developed a mechanism to fire the valve without using a huge solenoid. I think the mechanical backup thing is neat, but ultimately its not a huge selling point. The whole gun would be valve, grip, and barrel. That would easily be the lightest and smallest marker out there.

Not that I don't like Emags, I just think that, instead of taking a conservative path, maybe a more unconventional design could have been created. Then again, maybe it was tried, and failed. I'm not exactly on the need-to-know list.

[Kevmaster]

at PRESENT, to activate the sear release and the on-off pin, you NEED that big of a solenoid to do the job. And to avoid killing the bolt with a 10ms dwell, you need a 30ms dwell time. 30ms is a LONG time. It requires 3x more power than the 10ms dwell...so a 3x bigger battery is needed to feed the baby to get the same number of shots. Fine, if you dont like the emag, get the centerflag hyper frame. its smaller and more compact (although uses the 10ms dwell).

and hell, even with that big honkin battery, we're STILL lighter than teh fly angels

[Steelrat]

Why couldnt you have a lighter on/off pin like the ULT, and a solenoid that activites it directly, instead of using the sear to trip the on/off?

[Skoad]

yea you can get "thousands" of shots off a 9volt, but can you do 20,000?

also i believe the ULT on/off will slow down the guns overall rate of fire.

[FalconGuy016]

Its true, but it works good
I think it would be cool if AGD came out with a totaly new gun, not just a mag based on the same valve, but something truely electronic. But is there really that much of an advantage? I dont know, depends how well AGD designs it

[Steelrat]

Well, the downside to the 20,000 is, when its gone, its gone. Back to the ol' charger. When my 9 volt croaks, its out with the old, in with the new. I respect the solid and redundant engineering in the E, I just think maybe another course may have made the most of the small valve AGD makes.

[Steelrat]

Advantage? Like I said, it takes my whole damn Viking to do what AGD does with that one, small valve. Think of the possibilities. Imagine a small solenoid tripping the on/off. Now image your gun consisting of a ULE body with integrated aluminum rail, a ULE grip frame, a 9 volt, and your barrel. There would be nothing else like it out there.

[IcantBelieveit]

better yet. and electronic ON/OFF, get rid of the solenoid and sear, and use the hall sensor to trip the electronic on/off which is wired to the board think of ....although the cost of producing an electrical component that small would be great...just an idea though

[Steelrat]

Yeah, the only reason I thought of the solenoid tripping the on/off is because its cheap. They can still keep the current valve setup. The gun would be like a barrel stuck on top of a grip. Imagine making the grip frame out of carbon fiber? Insane!

[dcmander]

LOL, too light and it will have too much kick.

[rpm07]

I am sorry but people ***** about the battery. You get 20,000 shots I dont know about you but I have never shot that much in 1 day. The battery makes a nice foregrip I think. And guess what it is not that hard to charge the battery. So to me if you can not handle taking a battery off with 1 screw and sticking a charger in it then you should not own a emag.

[Skoad]

battery gives a nice balance as well.

[JT2002]

like someone else said, imagine, i doubt theres one this small, and it would prob cost big $$$$$ to make it, but imagine a noid that replaced the whole on/off assembly. the possiblitites would be insane. you could then run the gun off of a 9v and stick the 9v in the grip frame, and create emag asa or whatever for grips and such

[yagrmiestr]

The sear does more than just close the on/off. If you remove the sear and use a solenoid to operate the on/off you still need to latch and release the bolt somehow. I wonder if some sort of latching solenoid could be used to pull the sear so as it wouldn't draw current the whole 30ms the sear is down. I bet Tom has a few ideas he's exploring.