Move over RT! new speed KING!!

**rehme** · 08-15-2003, 05:40 PM

Originally posted by P4ULuk
On the Viking the bolt can be turned around, the marker still cycle's completely except the air isn't entering the bolt inlet. This is most likely the case here hence the barrel condom not moving.

Paul

yes that is what he probably did you can get a crap load of shots with the bolt turned around.

the viking are really fast one of my teamates can out shoot his halo he had a chrono see how fast he shot it was 19 bps so the halo was a bit slow and he was a weird angle to shoot the gun.

i am thinking about getting one of these bad boys also.

**RRfireblade** · 08-15-2003, 06:10 PM

Originally posted by RRfireblade

Don't sweat it.It's no biggie either way.

Jay.

**CpSuPeRkId** · 08-15-2003, 07:49 PM

to all you doubters saying you dont really know if its fully shooting with a stacked tube electropneumatic design: get a life and stop doubting everything that isnt a mag. i own a half milled viking w/ all the goodies including a was board. it is indeed shooting past 30bps. mine does the same exact thing with debounce on 1. it is truly scary. i can tell you right now it will fully cycle and shoot if the bolt isnt turned around at that speed. i have a razorblade trigger and stock switch and when i turn my debounce on 1 in sim mode(unlimited bps dryfiring), it shoots past 30bps and you can hear it shooting the whole time, no skips. i dont know what else to say. vikings ARE that fast and they do fully cycle and shoot at that speed. a halo b doesnt have crap on this gun.... lol. with debounce on 1 while shooting around 20-24bps you can totally tell that the halo b is maxed out and if it werent for the halo b it would be shooting even faster. as for debounce all together..... i dont use 1 on a normal basis. its just too damn fast. plus you cant even pull the trigger without it shootin like 5 times. i use debounce 12 and get no bounce and i can still shoot past 18 like nothing. some of you might still think thats bs with no bounce, but you would be surprised at how fast you can shoot when you actually get a gun with only the hopper restricting your rof and not the gun.

**Off Center** · 08-15-2003, 08:11 PM

Originally posted by CpSuPeRkId
to all you doubters saying you dont really know if its fully shooting with a stacked tube electropneumatic design: get a life and stop doubting everything that isnt a mag.

I'm simply trying to figure out what's going on in the vid. It does not SOUND like the marker is firing with each cycle. Several members have suggested reasons why this might be and, as yet, no one has offered an explanation contrary to those reasons.
I would love it if the marker was actually cycling at this rate. I would love it even more if I could see the velocity of each ball in a string of shots at that rate of fire. I'm studying mech. eng. and, from a design standpoint, it would be interesting to study specifically what makes the marker so fast, if indeed it is. As I've invited anyone to do in each previous post, please, give some weight to the argument that the marker is firing at that rate, rather than telling those of us trying to ascertain the truth to get a life.
Further, I have seen the mag firing at 25bps, but I have not seen this over a chronograph, so, until I see the data, I'm not going to accept on blind faith that the mag can do this without shootdown. I would love to have a talk with Tom regarding the design principles used in the Xvalve, so I could understand why he says it can recharge fast enough to fire at 26bps without shootdown.

**Jack & Coke** · 08-15-2003, 08:17 PM

Originally posted by CpSuPeRkId

...i own a half milled viking w/ all the goodies including a was board. it is indeed shooting past 30bps...

30 BALLS per second?

**50 cal** · 08-15-2003, 08:43 PM

Will it actually shoot p-balls that fast though? Stick a hopper on it and get back to us.

Faster isn't better.

**CpSuPeRkId** · 08-15-2003, 10:14 PM

Originally posted by Jack & Coke

30 BALLS per second?

woops, i meant cps.... im an idiot. sorry about that. as for bps, im not sure but i do know that without eyes on even a halo b cant keep up and you chop. with eyes on it shoots as fast as the halo b can feed.

off center- i see where you are coming from. im just stating that a viking can cycle past 30bps. that vid doesnt sound right but i think its becuase the bolt was in backwards. a normal viking can fully cycle and shoot past 30bps, meaning the bolt will go forward, hammer will hit the valve and air will be released down the barrel, then the bolt will retract..... over 30 times a sec. i too am interested to see each shot over a chrono because i dont know if shootdown would be present or not. sorry if i came across as rude to anybody who was wanting proof but it just seemed like you guys were defending mags and were denying that any gun can come close to an rt mags speed.

**Jack & Coke** · 08-15-2003, 11:26 PM

Originally posted by CpSuPeRkId

...it just seemed like you guys were defending mags and were denying that any gun can come close to an rt mags speed...

Claims related to mags can be proven (i.e. test data, video recordings, etc.)

Unproven claims, which are questionable (i.e. 30 BALLS per sec), will be challenged.

The cycling speed of the viking represented in the video of this thread has no integrity (i.e. if the gun had a ball in the breech, would it fire out of the barrel at normal speed? This video clip = no), and therefore is discounted and questioned.

I have absolutely no doubt that the viking could CYCLE at a rate of 30+ CPS.

I have absolute doubt that the viking (or any gun) could SHOOT PAINT at a rate of 30+ BPS.

**DWill** · 08-15-2003, 11:45 PM

You have to ask yourself if it can cycle at 30 cps WITHOUT shootdown the RT valve

then I will be a viking fan for life (seriously)

**Steelrat** · 08-15-2003, 11:55 PM

How can we find that out? Im willing to give it a try if someone tells me how to measure it.

**lack of grace** · 08-16-2003, 12:39 AM

Show me any video of a mag shooting 30 balls per second and not just cycling....... bet you cant...

Originally posted by Jack & Coke

Claims related to mags can be proven (i.e. test data, video recordings, etc.)

Unproven claims, which are questionable (i.e. 30 BALLS per sec), will be challenged.

The cycling speed of the viking represented in the video of this thread has no integrity (i.e. if the gun had a ball in the breech, would it fire out of the barrel at normal speed? This video clip = no), and therefore is discounted and questioned.

I have absolutely no doubt that the viking could CYCLE at a rate of 30+ CPS.

I have absolute doubt that the viking (or any gun) could SHOOT PAINT at a rate of 30+ BPS.

**Steelrat** · 08-16-2003, 12:41 AM

Well Im betting we can show the Viking shooting as fast as a Halo B can feed em, but how can we prove no shootdown? By showing the trajectory of the balls?

**Jack & Coke** · 08-16-2003, 02:30 AM

Originally posted by lack of grace
Show me any video of a mag shooting 30 balls per second and not just cycling....... bet you cant...

Sheeeeesh....

Where did you get the idea that a mag can shoot 30 BPS? Let alone a video of it??

You might want to try re-reading the last sentence of what I wrote in the quote you referenced.

If you can figure it out, you just may get an idea of how I feel about ANY claims of ANY guns shooting 30+BPS.

To avoid further social blunders like this in the future, try this 3 step program:

Step 1. Read
Step 2. Think
Step 3. Post

**Alux** · 08-16-2003, 02:39 AM

Jack & Coke does it again lol

I learn a bit more from reading this guys posts.

**Marek** · 08-16-2003, 02:59 AM

Originally posted by Jack & Coke
Step 1. Read
Step 2. Think
Step 3. Post

So much easier than my 12 step program. I mean, um....

How bout them Falcons?

Move over RT! new speed KING!!

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