i've had enough

[magman007]

yea, all of you cut the flaming back, now. The thing i find funny is that the SP patent is for controling the gun with a switch, power, micro hes or otherwise. So why are they suing ICD for their gun? The bushmaster/defiant was out before the Impy, so was the Timmy....

[JaredTheBeast]

my thoughts

I agree if Smart Parts wins it will totally cripple the paintball industry.

PS Hey rikkter who came out with the design first ICD or SP. Just Wonderin.

[rikkter]

SP patented the idea of a device of electrics shooting pellets or something like that, i'm not too sure of it.
http://airsoldier.com/~haveblue/tech...S002845055.pdf to be exact i believe.

[JaredTheBeast]

?

Who the hell is Edward J. Collins and James Lee Collins.

[JaredTheBeast]

aslo

And what do they have to do w/ Smart Parts

[~WarpedRT#2~]

-Ahem-

Paintchucker, Yes the Nazis were very money hungry. Hence the pulling of gold teeth, from concentration camp inmates, not to mention the high number of priceless works of art they stole. They were indeed, very money hungry.

But anyway, yeah, it's getting kind of dumb to still see the whole "I hate Smart Parts" thing. Every company in the world is out to make money. You have to accept it as one of the bad parts of business. I really don't care for Smart Parts products, but still, if I found a good one, I'd use it. Saying you hate Smart Parts for trying to make more money is like saying you hate someone for having differnet religious beliefs. Let them do what they want. In the end, you'll still be able to play.

It angers me when I see someone who has SFL Emag written in the sig, or some other high-end gun complaining about how gun prices will rise if Smart Parts gets this through. You spent the money on that gun, whats another $100 or so? When you go that high, another $100 isnt much.

[magman007]

the thing is, it will be more than another 100 dollars, the companies gotta make up the one million dollar licencing fee. that makes my sfl e-mag(the one you seem to be complaining about) cost me about 2500(that is if i were to buy new) and just about every other high end gun. OK?

[rikkter]

actually it depends on the rareity(worD?) of the gun in how much the prices would go up. like Doc said in one of his posts, a layosa timmy would sky rocket because they most likely wouldn't be able to sell more thn 200 of them(limitied edition or whatever)
but the spyders would probably go up 30 at most since they make a new gun each 2 weeks.

[FooTemps]

Originally posted by ~WarpedRT#2~
-Ahem-

Paintchucker, Yes the Nazis were very money hungry. Hence the pulling of gold teeth, from concentration camp inmates, not to mention the high number of priceless works of art they stole. They were indeed, very money hungry.

But anyway, yeah, it's getting kind of dumb to still see the whole "I hate Smart Parts" thing. Every company in the world is out to make money. You have to accept it as one of the bad parts of business. I really don't care for Smart Parts products, but still, if I found a good one, I'd use it. Saying you hate Smart Parts for trying to make more money is like saying you hate someone for having differnet religious beliefs. Let them do what they want. In the end, you'll still be able to play.

It angers me when I see someone who has SFL Emag written in the sig, or some other high-end gun complaining about how gun prices will rise if Smart Parts gets this through. You spent the money on that gun, whats another $100 or so? When you go that high, another $100 isnt much.

You don't get it do you? We don't mind that companies try to make money. We are just upset w/ SP's methods. Trying to monopolize an already established product is a really dirty thing. I mean, when every company has an electronic marker/kit and you patent it... 5 or so more years later, it's kinda cheap. It means you're set for recieving royalty fees, licensing fees, etc.

BTW: The prices will be relative to the product. Say the manikemag makes a production run of 50, they'd be around 4000 dollars. Lasoya Timmies would go up to somewhere in the 3000's. If they make another run of SFL's they'll hit around 3000 too. I mean a cheap marker like a spyder will get a 50-100 dollar added price. The high performance, rare markers is where all the price will go to since the production rate is lower, the production cost is higher, and they may be limited runs.

[GhillieGuy]

Honestly i respect everyones opinions and yes I THINK that what smartparts did was wrong but i'm not going to dwell on it.. I play paintball to play paintball, not to wine over wat a factory did. (and i have no prob with ne ones opinions, thats just mine and i do think wat smartparts did was terribly wrong, but it aint my problem, so i wont make it mine..)

[Lethargic]

Sorry to say it, but the whole "dont use the swastika cause it represents the big bad nazis" thing is starting to really tick me off. Political correctness and censoring what one says and does really doesnt help anyone out. The nazis were REAL, and therefore anyone can make a reference to them if they really wasnt to. It isnt going to make things any worse. Its not as if a jewish person, or a handicapped person, or a gypsy doesnt know that people like them were killed in the past by the nazis.
I hardly see how someone making a reference to the nazi party hurts anyone.

And before anyone says "you dont know what its like, you didnt lose people you knew in the holocaust," I did. An entire side of my family tree was killed in WW2. My father's side of the family lost about 20 members during the war. However, even after this, I am not afraid to use the word nazi, or look at or (heaven forbid) draw a swastika.

The nazi party of ww2 infamy doesnt exist anymore. The most fittign use of their symbols that i can think of is to mock other elements of our society.

PS. I apologize that this has little to do with anything, but I got fed up with the political correctness showing up in this thread, and had to state my opinion.

[GhillieGuy]

Well you are right, the definition of the word "Nazi" was a german soldier durring WW2.

[Recon by Fire]

Originally posted by GhillieGuy
Well you are right, the definition of the word "Nazi" was a german soldier durring WW2.

Not so, regular German soldiers were of the Whermacht. The Nazis were a political group that also developed a military arm, the SS corps. SS troops were the elite of the Third Reich until late in the war when the SS units were being drummed up from the occupied countries, then they were no fifferent and sometimes worse than the level of the Whermacht (which was still an impressive military org.). Yes, the Nazis were very greedy and even looted the national gold deposits of conquered countries directly against international law, along with art treasures, etc... many of this loot was never recovered! Use what symbols floats your boat, but there is not much of a comparison between the Nazis and SP. Ask any Jew who was around in the 1930's and 1940's!

I don't care for the SP suit, but I also do not campaign against it. I own SP merchandise and I am quite pleased with the products and would buy again from SP if they produce what I want. This is not the first suit in the paintball industry, everybody acts like it is though. Paintball has not died yet from earlier suits, has it? I personly do not think the suit will stand on merits and the when challenged the broad patent will be revised.

[~WarpedRT#2~]

Good one Recon, schooled em.

Anyway, to those who replied to me, and my thoughts on electros, it must be unthinkable to go back to non-electro markers, huh? For Gods sake, just get a non-electro if you are so very worried about it. And yeah, if you already spend more than $1500 on a gun, you better not have a problem spending up to and more than $2k. If you can afford $1500, you obviously don't have trouble getting money to toss away.

And, foo, your right, I don't get it, point is, I don't care. I can always go back to using my old RT. No big deal. Business is business, and no one, that includes you, is going to stop things like this from happening. In the end, like I said, you will still be able to play.
It seems like if you take away electro triggers from the 15 year olds on the field, it's like they have lost all skill. Pouring paint isnt whats important.

[Python14]

Give him a break guys, he just got back from the beach and there is a lot of sand in his diaper.


Seriously though, this is an AGD forum. When a company threatens our most liked of companies, we have something to say about it...simple as that. Don't like it? Join IOG