q loader????

[batteryfree]

hey does anyone know when teh q loader is coming out????

[Fanatic]

if it ever comes out
will you be willing to fork out $250 for a LOADER!!

[Spartan X]

For a 100 round loader at that!! front men only!!!

[dinger]

q loader?? the fudge is that??


::has never heard of it:: :O

[Spartan X]

It's a Pod looking loader thats mounts on your gunj like a warp, it will have a feed rate of just over 30 bps.

I first saw one at IAO...had not the slitest clue of what it was at first...new warp???

[FalconGuy016]

Its a loader that does 40 bps I heard

Spartan, do you have an omen? If so, can we talk

[the_next_guy_]

go to warpig, they have an article

[edweird]

Yeah we saw them at IAO... and most of us are less than impressed.

list of problems.

1 its mechanical only... powered by some weird clock spring mechanisim.

2. its 250 friggin dollars

3. it only uses proprietary pods that will retail at something like 50 a pop.

4. the pods attach weird... and the plastic on plastic fails to impress me

in concept its a interesting idea... but hardly $250 interesting.

[adam shannon]

and last but not least you cant top it off. you either fire it dry and make yourself vulnerable...or you switch pods wasting whats left in the one you toss out...and you cant fire when the pod is disengaged while your reloading. and whos gonna toss a $50 pod? youll see alot of tourney ballers carefully putting them back in their packs.

at the nj nppl they had a new version...kinda funny, they countered the you cant top off by adding a second loader mouth and tube to the setup...so now you have this huge double pod thing under your gun...and the best they havent even developed the ball router to make the double loader work. they just lego'd it together to say it can be done but say the actual how its gonna work has yet to be devised. i know im just waiting to buy the $500 double sidecar loader...lol.

i hope the q-loader spurs tom to step up the development of the "smaller warp" that may or may not already be in proto stage, but was shelved for lack of interest.

[Nick O time]

yeah

I think Edweird summed it all up.

[batteryfree]

wel i personally want to get one couse it doesnt have batterys and i hate having batterys, and plus it feeds 40 to 50 rps.

[edweird]

Oh and I forgot some of the other dislikes I had about it..it uses a helical screw to load balls.... this is S.C.A.R.Y.!

Helical ammo systems are terrible enough when handling hard munitions such as 20mm, let alone something that can easly break such as paint. And imagine if a ball breaks inside that pod? OMFG yuk!

Yeha I agree this will be a step in the right direction by spuring some new mini warp. but this is a far cry from it.

In general I like the size and position of it. But the concept of winding up some clock spring midgame gives me the creeps.

If i was to remake this I think I would keep the pod concept but make it something that can replace the tops of the 2 peice pods and be basicly a small plate pushed by a spring. Cheap + Effective. Then the pod could constant feed into something like the old Jt slammer sleeve. from that point a warp-esque conveyor would take over.... but that is how I would do it. Show me some love if you rip me off though... I think 2 mill is fair :P

[GoatBoy]

guess I'll play devil's advocate.

1. I think people will be perfectly happy with a mechanical mechanism as long as it works. Come on folks, electronics don't necessarily improve *everything*.

2. Yeah, I'll give you this one. That is pricey. Too pricey.

3. The Warpig article states $25 a pop per loader. Someone needs to update the article if this has changed.

4. This one somewhat remains to be seen... I haven't seen the unit myself so I can't comment on the plastic, although I wonder if that's what they're going to production with.


The $250 tag, again, from the Warpig article, indicates it comes with 5 loaders.

Uhm... other things...

I don't understand the efficiency gained in "tossing" pods. No, I'm not talking about putting them back in your packs, I'm talking about the guys who seem to make an art form out of it. Just drop the damn things or lightly toss them aside. I don't think a 2-3 foot short lateral toss is going to bust these things.

I agree that the second loader thing is stupid. I can't believe they would actually try an argument like that.

But I can say this... man, you are vulnerable whenever you are reloading. I watch tournament players and I'm even aware of my own behavior while reloading, and I have to honestly say, I'd rather reload with a q-loader than a hopper. The fact is you've got two lids to pop open, and a hopper you're trying to keep upright or even tilted downward so as to make space for the new paint. And lets not forget where your eyes and concentration are when you're reloading a hopper -- they are, at least for a brief time, watching this whole thing take place. I'd rather just take the old one off and put the new one on and be done with it. I don't think I've ever seen someone reload on the run either with a hopper, but I think it would actually be doable with a q-loader. Not that I would recommend this of course but you know, you won't always be reloading your hopper in the most comfortable of positions. Like, say, laying down in the snake. Yeah, you might not be able to use all your paint, but I think it's manageable with skill. Obviously, it's not for these lumbering can-you-believe-I'm-wearing-an-entire-case-of-paint "back players". I'm not sure where I saw it, but that (evlution II?) ad of the player that brags about shooting up to 2700 rounds a game cracks me up every time.


I haven't seen the internals of the thing so I dunno about the helical loading thing. It appears that the warpig article states that you wind it up beforehand though, not on the field midgame. Also looking at the article, it looks like the paint is fed by rotating that spiral inner sleeve, sort of like those snack vending machines. The significance of this is that, like in the snack machine, each snack feels a little bit of the force, instead of, say, a piston coming from the back and pushing a stack of snacks forward. Someone tell me if this is in fact NOT how it works; I'm just going from the pics. Yes, yes, I know, I've seen these snack machines malfunction, it's just an example. Anyways, I think this system is far preferable to a spring pushing a stack of balls from behind or something. Ergo warp urethane disks and conveyor belt/chain drives, and now... the spiral drive?

And... we're feeding round balls, not cylindrical bullets. Single-stacks are more reliable than double-stacks, but most people don't seem to mind, eh. The severity of breaking a ball in the pod is probably more a result of having reduced paint capacity, as losing one pod when you only have 4 other 100 round pods could certainly come back to haunt you. But it doesn't seem uncommon for people to just toss pods that have broken paint in them.

Edweird, I know you saw the thing firsthand... but... are all of your facts straight?

[edweird]

well ... as a front player (as the target for this) would you carry 4+1 pods? Personally I wouldnt.

and on the electro issue... I can swap batterys on my warp and rest assured that the thing is not going to run down on me for that game in a tourney. I doubt a clock spring can rival the warp motor.

Tossing pods? yeah I chuck them to the sideline... last thing I want is one of my guys running through my refuse and potentially screwing up his transition to his second and third positions.

The dual helix system scares me because I see first hand how it chews up bullets. This system lacks the ability to compensate for it to my liking. nuff said. yeah its my feeling but last thing I want to do is pay 25 bucks for a pod that if it breaks a ball at the begining of my pod it will gunk up my entire works and then I have to not only worry about cleaning out my clockwork warp but also some 25 dollar pod.

most of all I dont see a bit of the KISS principle intergrated into this. And frankly that turned me off more than anything.

[Clockwork_Orange]

It has potential...