Are Paintball Markers consider lethal weapons?

[shartley]

Originally posted by A to the G-Dizzle
Wow, obviously you don't like to be proved wrong. I said intent to kill. Not shoot in face one time. I'm not going into detail, and VERY rarely has this subject been brought up, but from playing the sport for as long as I have been, we've come along way. Nowadays, there are guns out there that can achieve 20+bps at each ball roughly going 150mph(250fps) or more and thats what my observation is based on. It sucks knowing your going to have to get bunker'd by that, let alone any case that could be worse. Nobody was over-reacting. Giving this day and age we live in, whenever something goes wrong people question it and make assumptions. It sucks, but its all part of society. I know the facts. The guy had brain problems. Its a sad story and bad for the paintball community. I'm not trying to make you mad so please try to unbundle your undies. I understand your point of view.

[A to the G-Dizzle]

Then why would you have to sign a waiver at a field and why is there field speed(FPS)?

[A to the G-Dizzle]

And I have one more thing to add. I never said anything about paintballs comming out of the gun. At Philly PSP, some of the Kids brought foam, almost rubber balls that are made to be shot out of a paintball gun. I believe they are called Roufus Dawg(sp). What if the projectile was these, and They were comming from a paintball marker?

I think your whole case would be throw out.

[gibby]

I haven't read all the replies thoroughly, but I can see how a paintball marker can be lethal. True, under normal operation, a paintball might seem harmless. But someone with the intent of hurting someone isn't going to use it under normal conditions.

Sure, paintballs break on impact...but what about a frozen paintball coming out of the barrel at high velocities? Now, it's a different story. I'm sure that will break more than a few layers of skin.

[shartley]

Originally posted by A to the G-Dizzle
Then why would you have to sign a waiver at a field and why is there field speed(FPS)?

Because there is a risk of being injured, which covers everything from slipping while playing, getting a welt, or breaking a bone, etc. Wavers are not JUST for being shot with a paintball.

As for feel velocity limits, that is to ensure a safer environment, not because the fields would be littered with dead bodies. It is also an issue for insurance purposes.

Originally posted by A to the G-Dizzle
And I have one more thing to add. I never said anything about paintballs comming out of the gun. At Philly PSP, some of the Kids brought foam, almost rubber balls that are made to be shot out of a paintball gun. I believe they are called Roufus Dawg(sp). What if the projectile was these, and They were comming from a paintball marker?

I think your whole case would be throw out.

Originally posted by gibby
I haven't read all the replies thoroughly, but I can see how a paintball marker can be lethal. True, under normal operation, a paintball might seem harmless. But someone with the intent of hurting someone isn't going to use it under normal conditions.

Sure, paintballs break on impact...but what about a frozen paintball coming out of the barrel at high velocities? Now, it's a different story. I'm sure that will break more than a few layers of skin.

[hitech]

Originally posted by gibby
Sure, paintballs break on impact...but what about a frozen paintball coming out of the barrel at high velocities? Now, it's a different story. I'm sure that will break more than a few layers of skin.

Actually, no, they won't do more than that. I've been shot with frozen paintballs before (yes, at a field, back in the "good" ole days). They hurt a lot more, but don't do more than break a few layers of skin. They are only "slightly" worse than that close range bouncer.

The reason that paintball are safe at the speeds they are propelled at is because the mass (weight) of the paintball is so small. The potential energy of an object is velocity X mass. The velocity of a paintball may be high, but the mass is low. So the energy imparted is also small. Shoot a paintball that is 100 times heavier that the existing ones and you could do some damage.

[A to the G-Dizzle]

Listen, I used that example of field use to prove why there is rules, because in an uncontrolled enviorment(NOT the field) these guns can be used to hurt people. I think you agree with me more than you actually think.

The whole point of this discussion is not about paintball markers at the field. This is about a paintball marker in uncontrolled conditions with someone who has the intent to harm.

Nobody stated that paintballs were the projectile. You automatically assumed that whether it be ignorance or lack of knowledge, I dont know. Same Thing

At point I would like to quote the bottom of the rail on my Emag:

WARNING
This is not a toy. Misuse may cause serious injury or death. Eye Protection designed for paintball must be worn by user and any person within range ect...

[Marek]

Paintball is listed under bowling for injuries in a group of tested sports. That means that ppl have more of a chance to get injured bowling (of course football and basketball were higher, but back to the point) than in playing paintball. That should mean something.

[shartley]

Originally posted by A to the G-Dizzle
Listen, I used that example of field use to prove why there is rules, because in an uncontrolled enviorment(NOT the field) these guns can be used to hurt people. I think you agree with me more than you actually think.

The whole point of this discussion is not about paintball markers at the field. This is about a paintball marker in uncontrolled conditions with someone who has the intent to harm.

Nobody stated that paintballs were the projectile. You automatically assumed that whether it be ignorance or lack of knowledge, I dont know.

At point I would like to quote the bottom of the rail on my Emag:

WARNING
This is not a toy. Misuse may cause serious injury or death. Eye Protection designed for paintball must be worn by user and any person within range ect...

[A to the G-Dizzle]

Hey dude, I've been calm. I had to tell you to pull the undies out, remember. Try to look at it from someone elses point of view other than your own and maybe you could understand.

I think your at the point where you want to argue just for the fact of arguing. You stated your point. Not many people seem to be going with it but its stated. Arguing with me will just make you look stupid.

[shartley]

Originally posted by A to the G-Dizzle
Hey dude, I've been calm. I had to tell you to pull the undies out, remember. Try to look at it from someone elses point of view other than your own and maybe you could understand.

I think your at the point where you want to argue just for the fact of arguing. You stated your point. Not many people seem to be going with it but its stated. Arguing with me will just make you look stupid.

[A to the G-Dizzle]

You should take some advice from Phil.

And I need no welcomes, I've been around here and pbn for awhile. Just changed my name.

So now I'm guessing your done, because you realize that I'm done, and once we see what I do, we just copy it to make ourselves look more civalized. This is basically how this whole convo went. I guess arguing with a fence post is better than arguing with a neandethal.

Have a nice life.

[shartley]

LOLROF Aren't you so cute?!?!!?

[minnimag]

a paintball marker is just as much a weapon as a pen. Technically speaking i could take the pen in my hand and stab it into your neck and kill you or at least injure you. Also do you know how much trauma it takes to kill someone? People live after being thrown from cars, having a cote hanger go through their chest (i saw it on discovery channel ) and countless other things. It is a lot harder to kill someone then you are presenting. Sure a paintball gun loaded with ball bearings is going to hurt someone but can a paintball gun even fire ball bearings? Have you ever seen it? probably not because (assumption) i dont thinkthat the force from the air preasure is enough to shoot a ball bearing with enough force. Sure a paintball gun may harm someone but like said before intent doesn't change physics and if they could kill someone then they wouldnt be leagal in the first place.

*edit -small spelling mistake

[A to the G-Dizzle]

Are you talking to me or shartley? Whoever brought up ball bearings or marbels being shot out of a paintball gun should start using the better half of their brain. The only projectiles I spoke of were Roufus Dawg(sp) pellets which are also made to be shot out of a paintball gun.

If anyone knows a website for those pellets, please PM me.