** AO final patch design **

[Xzion]

As Slushee Said, feel free to make your own patches as long as you get Tom Kaye's Ok, the only other thing I feel needs to be said, is that you use your own design, and not duplicate our design in any way shape or form, as it will put a major damper on us, and basically step on our toes with lead boot, thanx and good luck

[sajohnston]

Right now I am not looking to mass produce/sell them- the $3 was for ONE patch, if I were to have 100 or more made the price falls drastically. They weigh next to nothing which = minimal shipping charges. Heck I am willing to bet you could even fit one in a first class envelope and throw a $.34 stamp on it to get it to its destination.

I was just looking to give something back to the board, not "ride the wave" of your ingenuity. When I referred to "having mine made" I only meant making ONE as a sample- YOUR DESIGN, FOR YOU to distribute. I am only making things worse by offering my assistance so I will just drop it.

[Xzion]

I fear there may have been a large case of miscommunication along the line somewhere, we got the notion that you were intending to mass produce your design as well, weve already committed to a local stitching company, but its good to know we have an alternate option with you. Both Slushee and I were trying to give back to the forum as well, and any profit made would be going back into the production of more patches, and perhaps other apparel in the future. We greatly appreciate the offer, and if our current stitching company doesnt work out, we'll get back to you.

[shartley]

Xzion

...is that you use your own design, and not duplicate our design in any way shape or form,

Round patch?

Automags.org Logo?

What part do you consider protected in "any way shape or form"?

Seems like the only thing that can not be used is the exact layout you chose to use. Other than that, since the actual patch design uses no elements that you personally designed, you have no legal claim to them. This would make any elements used in your patch open for anyone to use, the same as they were open for you to use.

I am not saying this to cause a problem. But you can not protect anything other than your layout since none of its elements are actually yours, or original to you.

And since sajohnston actually was not talking about mass production (as his post just stated), my addressing that issue has nothing to do with him personally. It does however have to do with anyone else in the big world out there that would think of doing the same thing.

Since you openly staked a wide claim on the design, I felt it only proper to mention that the claim you made is not a valid one. I hope noone does try to undercut you, but unfortunately there is not a lot that could be done about it... unless they made the EXACT same patch. It would be a shame for you to think that you have some rights or control over something you simple do not have them for.

Again, this post is NOT to cause problems, but to prevent any.

[pumpamatic]

I think you should put an order limit on the first run. You are only making 100, and some people are talking they want 3 just for themselves. Those babies are really gonna fly, and we want everyone to have a chance of getting one

[sajohnston]

Xion it was just miscommunication- all I ever wanted to do was assist in having [B]YOUR PATCH[B/]design mass produced cheaply [B]FOR YOU[B/]to distribute. No secret agenda, just something I could contribute for my fellow members. I have unit patches, hats, T-shirts, coins, and the like made dirt cheap all the time, this would have been too easy. I am making a stop there tomorrow to have a flight jacket embroidered for my father's Christmas gift, I was going to check on specifics then for you. Best of luck to you guys, I am dropping the subject, I seem to have unintentionally ignited a spark!

[Xzion]

I should have specified more clearly, the layout is what I was referring to, Im sure you would understand how one would feel putting work into doing something like this and have your layout duplicated by someone else, again, stupid miscommunication gets in the way.

And until after I had posed my request that he use his own layout, he had never specified that he was not going to mass produce them, it was moreless an effort to prevent our layout from being cloned so to speak, and as we stated before, we have no problem with other people doing patches, and would hope that they use layouts of their own instead of duplicating what what we had done.

The 'Way Shape and Form' quotation was just intended to be a catch phrase and not a legal statement, we want to keep this friendly and not get anyone upset, so peace everyone?

As for liminiting the numbers of patches people can order, we dont find it very practical, especially for those looking to buy multiple patches, it will save us all time and money in the long run. If more patches are needed to supply demand, more will be made, so there will be no shortage, hopefully we'll be ahead of the demand and have more being made before we run out of the first batch, depending on how fast we sell the first batch.

sajohnston; Thanx for understanding and not being upset with us,we really appreciate the gesture, and if things dont work out here, you'll be the first person we contact

[ThePatriot]

I still think the patches with your AO name on them would be cool....keep the design but have names sewn on

[shartley]

Xzion
You did not think I was upset did you? Heck, you should know that I, of all people, would understand you wanting to protect the work you put into something.

I just wanted to make sure you did not think your work was protected farther than it actually was. And I can see that you know that.. but did not state that in your post. I would be remiss if I had not point that out.

I don't think anyone is upset... and like I said... certainly not me. So I don't think the "peace" was ever threatened. All is well. Clarifications should NEVER cause hard feelings.

[Xzion]

ThePatriot; Having names put on is under consideration, but first were trying to finish the patches weve already started, so give us time, maybe you'll see a customized patch, or embroiderd bar to use in conjunction with the current patches in the future.

shartley; Not at all, Im just trying to clear up any miscommunication, and appreciate your assistence with the clarification. The 'peace' bit was a friendly attempt at humor.