future AO'er ( paintball sketch)

[-=Squid=-]

OK! Any idea of a ball launcher just makes me think of something stupid. Im sorry. Why not leave it the same? Only have reinsertion. Leave a center flag, only if they get it to a certain spot, they get a certain number of points. Dont have anything that can end the game but the clock. Make eliminations something like 5 points, and a flag hang (to wherever) 100 points...or something. When they hang the flag, just have another flag back on the hanging spot. If one team loses all of there mates, all 5 (or 7) players are reinserted...that way there would be more strategy involved, rather than just going crazy and trying to kill all the players...Make reinserted players neutral for so many seconds so that they couldnt just kill all players then camp there reinsertion spot. I would also say that if a player is shot, when its his time to be reinserted, if he isnt playing up to snuff, the coach can put in a new player, rather than the one who just got shot. Eh?

EDIT: oo! Make the flag on the 50 yard line, and ever 10 yards a player takes the flag OVER the other teams side, he gets 20 points..so if you got the flag all the way across the other side of the field, that would be a hundred, or make it just 10 yards, 20 points. I like that!!!

[FooTemps]

TOO MANY POINTS! I'M MAKING THE GAME SIMPLE! YOU SCORE BY PUTTING BALL/FLAG IN GOAL! EASY! VERY VISUALLY UNDERSTANDABLE!

[JT2002]

Originally posted by Konigballer
About the P90 or something similarly groundbreaking like
HK's G11 being examples of "out of the box" thinking, I totally agree with you Steerat. .

got a pic somewhere of a G11?

[Konigballer]

here is the G11 JT, fired caseless amunition in. One of its selling points was that its caseless amunition cycled so fast that the weapon fired burst of three rounds but only recoiled from the first shot after the three rounds had already left. That increased "hit probability" by a substantial margin. It was too expensive for the Germans to equipe their forces though.

[-=Squid=-]

Originally posted by FooTemps
TOO MANY POINTS! I'M MAKING THE GAME SIMPLE! YOU SCORE BY PUTTING BALL/FLAG IN GOAL! EASY! VERY VISUALLY UNDERSTANDABLE!

what do you mean to many points...Instead of ONE way to score, there are two? Is that to tough for you? Even in regular paintball, there are 3 ways to score Ya, lets be like american gladiators, and shoot central "points" balls across the arena Im sure that would really make things go mainstream...

[Python14]

Foo, your ball idea is too far off. Then teams would be looking for baseball players who are marginal shooters, but accurate pitchers.

I honestly don't see why there needs to be goals. What is wrong with playing it the way it is supposed to be played? The ball idea is just trying to mesh paintball with other sports. It doesn't need to be that hard.


I like squids idea. It's simple. Easy to follow for the uninformed, and definitely something that I, as a player, can easily adjust to.

[FooTemps]

Dude, on the points thing, the less ways to score, the better. You see basketball and soccer? The only way to score is to get the ball into the goal. I'm just trying to build off what works in other sports. It isn't really that complicated. You're just not visioning it right. lol

You're right about the baseball player thing though. That's why I wanted to do the short range launcher thing.

Also, Squid's idea is easily adjusted to. But it'd still be a lot more complicated for spectators. Squid's idea isn't really a spectator sport becuase an uninformed moron wouldn't understand why a team keeps scoring points for moving around.

[Python14]

We don't play soccer, or basketball. We play paintball. Paintball is not soccer, or basketball. If you try and make paintball into soccer, you no longer have paintball, you have soccer.

You idea goes right there up with the XFL and Super Jam ball. It will become a novelty that no one takes seriously.

Look at golf. It is so complicated that I doubt anyone knows every single way you can be penalized. But look how popular it is.

It's not about the complexity here(golf proves my point), it's about how the game appears.

Your idea is too different from the way the game is played. If you look at the way games are played now as far as rules and scoring, it hasn't changed that drastically in 20 years. Your goal is to take your team to the otherside of the field, without being eliminated, and capture their flag by any means declared legal. Then take said flag back home to your respective flag station.

Your idea is team handball with paintball guns.

Sorry.

[JT2002]

Originally posted by Konigballer
here is the G11 JT, fired caseless amunition in. One of its selling points was that its caseless amunition cycled so fast that the weapon fired burst of three rounds but only recoiled from the first shot after the three rounds had already left. That increased "hit probability" by a substantial margin. It was too expensive for the Germans to equipe their forces though.

is it an older gun?

[Konigballer]

poor Squid, he "gets no respect!!":)

Well, can we all agree that teams need to be at least 12-15 each on much larger fields? Regardeless of how the game is structured you have to have a sizable team for more game possibilities. All major team sports have sizable team numbers on the field.

Python, if their was nothing wrong with glaying the game the way the game is played now then we will never break out of were we are now. We will never be picked up by the X-games and will always be a more or less "insiders sport". We'll just be considered some dinky little "war game" by the rest of the world. The game IS NOT INTERESTING ENOUGH for widespread television viewing. I dont even like watching paintball on television now, its marginally more interesting than golf. If it ever wants to get picked up by TV networks, and actually make money, the game has to change.

Does all this idea generating remind anyone of Baseketball?

[Konigballer]

Yeah JT the G11's an older gun, it was introduced by HK in the early 80's.

[JT2002]

oh. sry for jackin the thread, but if they were so good, how come noone uses em today?

[FooTemps]

Originally posted by Konigballer
poor Squid, he "gets no respect!!":)

Well, can we all agree that teams need to be at least 12-15 each on much larger fields? Regardeless of how the game is structured you have to have a sizable team for more game possibilities. All major team sports have sizable team numbers on the field.

Python, if their was nothing wrong with glaying the game the way the game is played now then we will never break out of were we are now. We will never be picked up by the X-games and will always be a more or less "insiders sport". We'll just be considered some dinky little "war game" by the rest of the world. The game IS NOT INTERESTING ENOUGH for widespread television viewing. I dont even like watching paintball on television now, its marginally more interesting than golf. If it ever wants to get picked up by TV networks, and actually make money, the game has to change.

Does all this idea generating remind anyone of Baseketball?

exactly why I added the ball aspect. I know that the idea isn't the best but it's a step to actually making the game more interesting.

BTW: I based my idea primarily off basketball, soccer, and hockey.

[FooTemps]

Originally posted by Python14
We don't play soccer, or basketball. We play paintball. Paintball is not soccer, or basketball. If you try and make paintball into soccer, you no longer have paintball, you have soccer.

You idea goes right there up with the XFL and Super Jam ball. It will become a novelty that no one takes seriously.

Look at golf. It is so complicated that I doubt anyone knows every single way you can be penalized. But look how popular it is.

It's not about the complexity here(golf proves my point), it's about how the game appears.

Your idea is too different from the way the game is played. If you look at the way games are played now as far as rules and scoring, it hasn't changed that drastically in 20 years. Your goal is to take your team to the otherside of the field, without being eliminated, and capture their flag by any means declared legal. Then take said flag back home to your respective flag station.

Your idea is team handball with paintball guns.

Sorry.

Thing is, xfl and slamball are actually based off a previously successful spectator sport. Paintball isn't a spectator sport and it sure as hell isn't a successful spectator sport. It wouldn't be a novelty since it'd be the only medium that is even more spectator friendly than xball.

Wow, I'm getting my leagues confused... lol I typed nxl when i meant to tyep xfl... sheesh

[Konigballer]

JT the G11's were expensive as hell. At the time, we had stockpilled MILLIONS of rounds of standard 5.56 amunition. For any country to adopt a rifle firing caseless amunition would be a huge financial commitment, plus it the rifle itself was not without its little bugs. In the end, it was too ahead of its time and it would just be cheaper for countries to update their current rifles. The US M-16 and German G3 assualt rifles are perfectly capable weapons. I guess it was a matter of "why give the soldiers a ferrari when a ford will get the job done".

For the other subject, it would be cool if teams or industry people just experimented with different game formats and rule changes just to try out different poosibilities, even if the whole ball launcher idea wouldnt be feasible you could still try it out. One of those tennis ball lobbers would just be a low powered potato launcher anyways.