agd!!!

[Treefall25]

i think agd needs to expand they re products and sell more bc they re prices are pretty high. i don t know how spyder does it but u can buy a brand new electronic spyder for the price of a automag body. i think bc spyder sells so many markers they re prices become low. agd ur a great company but a $150 for a body when u can buy a brand new gun come on! not complaining just wondering why

[Stotic]

Do you happen to know the quality of spyders? Mass-production...

[Treefall25]

yeah i know they suk but still a $150 for a electro thats not bad at all. and i m no saying i m buying a spyder anytime soon but how come a body costs $150 when its just a milled out piece of aluminum and spyder can pull off a whole gun for $150.

[Paintchucker]

Words to live by...

"There is hardly anything in the world that some man can't make a little worse and sell a little cheaper, and the people who consider price only are this man's lawful prey."
-- John Ruskin (1819-1900)

[BobTheCow]

Umm... derr??
AGD > Kingman because:
1) Better quality.
2) Better craftsmanship.
3) Better customer service.
And many other reasons that I could think of if it wasn't almost midnight.

Kingman has the same theory as BE: they're trying to appeal to the masses, to the "n00bs" if you will. That is their target.
AGD, on the other hand, caters to the serious tourney player (for the most part). The reason AGD "things" are more expensive than Kingman "things" is because they aren't the same "things"!!
Hmm, I'm doing a really bad job explaining this...
It's like the difference between buying a $12 Ikea folding chair and a $200 leather La-Z-Boy... they both accomplish the same basic thing, but one does it a lot better (and a lot sexier!!) than the other one.

[Exodius]

ooh, heres where i get out the flamethrower(but it will be off for the most part)

A spyder/clone for $150 vs. a AGD body for $150. Oooh... I thinkthat spyder must be better than AGD cuz its cheaper. Hmmm, mayber that spyder has better internals. That electro grip must be better than the Emags. Hmmm...

That spyder is made cheaply. And besides, is there a Tom Kayes clone at Kingman? AGD is a company that knows nothing but quality. Quality Quality Quality. Were you saying it with me?

Flame is done.

Anyhow, a 'Cocker body is about $100. Does that mean that they are crap? You pay for quality. Sure, a 100 spyder may be cheap, and it is, but do you really think that can be compared to a Mag, or a 'Cocker for that matter? No, because it can't.

Morale of the story is that the marker does not make the player. But the quality directly affects the player. If your Spyder breaks down of the field cuz of cheap internals, you are so totally screwed. If your mag breaks down on the field, you are still screwed, But, you know right off the batt that the quality almost always lessens the likelihood of that problem. But it still exists.

i think agd needs to expand they re products and sell more bc they re prices are pretty high. i don t know how spyder does it but u can buy a brand new electronic spyder for the price of a automag body. i think bc spyder sells so many markers they re prices become low. agd ur a great company but a $150 for a body when u can buy a brand new gun come on! not complaining just wondering why

Some stuff from PB Nation which kinda applies to this..

not trying to start a big fight but all ive been hearing lately is =

dude, dont spend alot of money to make your low end gun good, just buy a good one"

well,
ive put about 450 dollars into my tippmann 98 custom,

and today i owned in a 1v1 tournament, with some of the best in northern illinois with it, these ppl had Angel IR3's , LCD's, shocktech, dye, and wg autocockers, bushmasters , (you get the point) Well we played @ someones private field, and my tippmann took them all...i know someone is gunna post a flame, so flame away.

Then, an onslaught of flames.

A good gun brings out the best in any player.
A good player brings out the best in any gun.

So just because you nailed someone with your Tippmann you think guns do not matter? If the gun you shoot wasn't important, we would all shoot low-end blowbacks. But we don't.

Think before you post. When a stock-class player nails a guy with a semi, does he always make a thread about it saying that semi-automatics suck and that we should all play pump? No. Your tippmann didn't take them all, you did. I bet if someone handed you an IR3 to keep and you played that way you would be posting here like "Dude, ditch the tippmann, I played with the IR3 today and it made me beat all these other guys!" You seem to think that your gun and his gun are the only factors in the way things came out. You don't seem to consider luck, his skill, your skill, or how much of a newbie you sound like.

[Exodius]

BTW

A spyder is a good gun.

BUT WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT GOOD GUNS. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE IN GOOD GUNS AND GREAT GUNS.

Anyone or anything can be good, but very little can be great.

[Treefall25]

i know spyder s r cheap POS's but i m saying a ule body accomplishes the same thing as a spyder body but only a mag body is much more expensive. i know that the internals should be made of high quality materials which nothing compares to agd buta spyder body is just as good as a ule (both aluminum and both annoed) but at a much higher cost.

[FooTemps]

Originally posted by Treefall25
i know spyder s r cheap POS's but i m saying a ule body accomplishes the same thing as a spyder body but only a mag body is much more expensive. i know that the internals should be made of high quality materials which nothing compares to agd buta spyder body is just as good as a ule (both aluminum and both annoed) but at a much higher cost.

Actually, spyders are really POS, they're just cheap. They've got performance, you just have to know how to unlock it.

The body on spyders are mass produced in house, that makes them cheaper than mag bodies. AGD does SMALLER, QUALITY runs of mag bodies. AGD also has rigorous quality control. AGD also contracts other manufactures to make their products. AGD also is a smaller business. AGD's products are also higher end than spyder products.

Angels are mass produced and they are expensive... You know why? Because they're higher end and are better quality than spyders. Angels have better parts, better looks, and better quality.

[Miscue]

What you said: A spyder is a cheap POS. Nothing compares to AGD.

Then you say a spyder body is just as good... and wonder why AGD parts cost more.

Hurm, I got some 400-grit paper to sell ya... it's just as good as 2-ply Charmin but I can give you a better deal.

[Treefall25]

Hurm, I got some 400-grit paper to sell ya... it's just as good as 2-ply Charmin but I can give you a better deal.

hahaha but i said nothing compares to agd internals not bodies. all bodies should do the same thing look good and be light which spders and mags both do. so why cant they be the same price

[Exodius]

Oh My God!

Have you learned nothing in this thread???

BTW, ALUMINUM HAS DIFFERENT GRADES OF THE METAL, JUST LIKE MANY OTHER METALS!!!!!!

Kingman uses lower grade materials to get a lower price.

Now, next you'll suggest that AGD do that. Then Tom will read this post and wanna kick you in the buttocks. Then everyone will think and come to the conclusion your a moron. Then, you'll come up with a moronic response saying that is not what you meant. Then someone who has a much smaller threshold for stupidity will come along and flame your butt to the ground. Then, this thread will get closed.

Yea, I'm semi-psychic(sure...)

But that IS what a lot of people would do.

AGD uses higher quality materials to create a higher quality product. Kingman DOES NOT.

THEY ARE NOT THE DARN SAME. DOES KINGMAN USE COMPANIES LIKE PK SELECTIVE AND A+ ANODIZING? NO THEY DO NOT!!!!!!!!

DON'T SHAME AGD AND EVERY OTHER HIGH END MANUFACTURER BY COMPARING THEM TO KINGMAN!!!!

That's like comparing a Ford to a Aston Martin or a Porsche

I hope that through this thread that you learned a little bit about different materials, and different processes for manufacturing and anodizing. I hope that you learned the difference between two companies.

There's a lifetime of reading on these subjects that could boggle your mind, but I reccomend the condensed version.

[dinger]

is it just me...

or are there no apostrophes in treefall's posts??

"they re" <~~? what the


oh btw, i hate how kingman uses that bastard metric system

[Treefall25]

noo they don t and i know all about the different grades of aluminum but i m pretty sure mags use 7000 series and kingman use the same and if someone knows for sure then my question was just answered.

[BobTheCow]

Ford Mustangs, Chevy Corvettes and Dodge Vipers are mass -produced.

So are the Ford Focus, Chevy Cavalier, and Dodge Neon.


They all have wheels and accomplish the same thing, but only the Mustangs, Corvettes, and Vipers are more expensive. And they are made of the same materials(steel & plastic).....so why cant I have a Mustang, Corvette or Viper for the same cheap price as those others?

Thank you Rogue!! That was the kind of thing I was shooting for with my chair analogy.

oh btw, i hate how kingman uses that bastard metric system

Yeah, darn those brits...