spyder

[swat150]

Originally posted by ~WarpedRT#2~
BKO, forget the Spyder. If you ar elooking into a Spyder, why not PMI Piranhas? Better quality than a Spyder on their worst day.

THe only reason pirahnas are better than spyders is because of there screws. THATS ALL. Practically same internals.

[xen_100]

plus you dont have to worry about having some parts fit and others not. its not 100% a spyder clone.

plus, have you ever looked at the "lp chamber" on a pirana vtl? its not an lp chamber at all. it is tottaly solid. lol. I dont see how adding extra useless wieght so that it looks "cooler", but has no function is better quality.

[Aliens-8-MyDad]

piranhas are made alot better, you know how u will see scratches on your spyders bolt after awhile.... well ive put about 2000 rds through my piranha ext pro g3 and not even the anodizing on the bolt has worn at all! its amazing.. i never have recocking problems or anything plus without any other mods i just droped in a rocket valve and its already working at 200 psi.... u could probally get it to work at 400 psi outta the box without problems.

[xen_100]

Originally posted by Aliens-8-MyDad
piranhas are made alot better, you know how u will see scratches on your spyders bolt after awhile.... well ive put about 2000 rds through my piranha ext pro g3 and not even the anodizing on the bolt has worn at all! its amazing.. i never have recocking problems or anything plus without any other mods i just droped in a rocket valve and its already working at 200 psi.... u could probally get it to work at 400 psi outta the box without problems.

not all spyders do that.....it can be fixed with a delrin bolt, too. I will admit that they are biult better. they just aren't as compatable.

[Carbon]

As far as Spyders getting scratches on their bolts, its bount to happen sooner or later.
There is a basic design flaw that exist in the spyder's bolt/striker/linkage pin assembly. The linkage pin that comes of the bolt verticaly rest on the spring, within the striker. As the spring is expanded the bolt wobles around abit, causing the scrathces. The scrathces on the bolt will get worse over time.

The pirhanas link pin rest on top of the striker, causing for much less woble. There is wear, but not to the same degree spyder clones have. In addition Pirhanas have three orings on the bolt, 2 by the gas port, and one by the tip of the bolt.

And as far as Pihranhas being clones of spyders or vice versa, is not true. There are vital similarities that will effect the wearability of the markers in question. The field stripping mechanism is much better on the Pirhanas. Most fields use either Pirhanas, Tippman guns as their rental guns. So yeah get a Pirhana, they are better engineered.

[spydervenom]

i believe that the scratching is from the striker basically kicking the legs out from beneath the bolt. piranhas dont get it because they dont cut some costs that kingman does. especially in low quality ano.

i stripped a bolt with oven cleaner in under a minute..i've heard of people using the same stuff taking forever.

after the ano wears off, its aluminum and aluminum rubbing against each other, they arent friends and tend to beat each other up.

but the spring theory is pretty good except i've never had any of my link pins touching springs when i put them in...maybe they move around when they are inside, i dunno but i know fo sho they dont touch when i put them in...not at all.

[Carbon]

but the spring theory is pretty good except i've never had any of my link pins touching springs when i put them in...maybe they move around when they are inside, i dunno but i know fo sho they dont touch when i put them in...not at all.

Yeah i think your right about that one, some how some where the tolerances are all that great and movement occurs. I belive annodizing too is a big factor.

[dinger]

if these guns are in the 230$ range...

GET A MAG

then again, you gotta buy all that other stuff and hpa... ;o

[bryceeden]

Originally posted by Carbon
As far as Spyders getting scratches on their bolts, its bount to happen sooner or later.
There is a basic design flaw that exist in the spyder's bolt/striker/linkage pin assembly. The linkage pin that comes of the bolt verticaly rest on the spring, within the striker. As the spring is expanded the bolt wobles around abit, causing the scrathces. The scrathces on the bolt will get worse over time.

The pirhanas link pin rest on top of the striker, causing for much less woble. There is wear, but not to the same degree spyder clones have. In addition Pirhanas have three orings on the bolt, 2 by the gas port, and one by the tip of the bolt.

And as far as Pihranhas being clones of spyders or vice versa, is not true. There are vital similarities that will effect the wearability of the markers in question. The field stripping mechanism is much better on the Pirhanas. Most fields use either Pirhanas, Tippman guns as their rental guns. So yeah get a Pirhana, they are better engineered.

OK, I know this is gonna get me flamed, but why does everyone say pirhanas are better than spyders? In my shop I have several spyders and pirhanas, and the pirhanas are junk. They are always breaking down and I have to order replacment parts constantly(PMI is very good to get parts to you fast) Todate I have literally never had these problems with any of my spyders, and I sell more of them than I do pirhanas. I am to the point I may stop carrying the pirhanas because they aren't worth the hassel. So I am just wondering why do people constantly say they are made better?

[swat150]

Well I would buy a spyder over a pirahna any day. The reason is spyder is a more respectable company. I lost my warranty card they shipped me a new one for free. My old local field in Kalispell said that trying to get a account with PMI is the hardest account to get. They kept on blowing him off. Heck they could hardly care, they make so much money they dont need you. But He did get the account after a long time of waiting. Now as the the mechanical feature of the gun im not shure. I love the Look to the pirahna EXT PRO.

[-Carnifex-]

Originally posted by dinger
if these guns are in the 230$ range...

GET A MAG

then again, you gotta buy all that other stuff and hpa... ;o

I think he wants an electric.

Spiders (Spyders?) are good guns, I've got one and it shoots great, rarely chop unless it's bad paint.

[funkmunky56]

first things first... DON'T BUY A JT EXCELLARATOR. well, let me qualify that with the ending "IF YOU EVER PLAN ON DOING ANY UPGRADING OF ANY SORT"

The Excellarator is the most proprietary blowback out there, with the exception of Brass Eagle's plastic crap. The drop mount holes on the grip are neither American Standard OR Kingman standard, and ONLY fit the crappy JT drop... there's no aftermarket bolts for it either, and the valve is neither Piranha or Spyder sized. Just no good.

The Piranha's are good. The Spyder's are good. However, at this point, working at a store that's a prime dealer for both lines (Killer Paintball in Detroit, MI, with Potatoboy), I gotta say I'm REALLY inpressed with the new Piranha Pro-E. It's in the low 300's, price-wise, and the number of features and high points make it totally awesome. This thing can cycle 15 times a second, at 300 psi, and has every electronic firing mode you could ever want. The trigger, out of the box, feels REALLY nice, and it's back to the metal frame, but with a slightly thinner trigger than the 2K2 e-force models. the LCD display is backlit, and gives you a HUGE variety of options to look through, including selectable ROF, and shot counters, battery life display, game timers, etc. And the whole package just looks UBER nice. nice milling lines, nice accessories, and great color (kinda like a Dark Angel IR3, with the dark platinum color) Stock barrel is decent, and shoots PMI Premium like it ain't no thang.

So, that's my $0.02. PM me with any questions, and I'll try to give you an unbiased answer based on my experiences. --Dave