Omen upgrades?

[paintball man 222]

i have the evil omen that is owned by my friend and i am thinking about buying it, it has the silver trigger. so far no problems and i am going to test it out on sunday. i want to know if there are any upgrades, i am sure there will be some later on, so far i dont know of any.

[poolshark5226]

Originally posted by jinxed


In all those cases, the LPR is used to prove pressure for pneumatics, which the OMEN doesnt have.
Plus, I hear that it can already run very low with its stock reg. The PMI catalog lists the OMEN reg for $100... too, that might mean its decent?

you're missing the point...first of all, what "pneumatics" does the Impule or Bushy have that the Omen doesnt? far as I Can see they all have 2 major pneumatic...things (dunno what to say lol)...a valve and a solenoid.
Also low OP isnt the point of an LPR. The point of an LPR is to gain effeciency and lessen bolt pressure (stock Impy runs at 150psi or so, with lpr's they run closer to 200, for better efficiency..I would assume its the same for bushies) It's uber late, I'll explain more later if necessary.

[spydervenom]

lemme try to work this out.
i know very little about LPR's but do know some from the guns i own.

dont LPR's just apply pressure to the bolt or whatever solely for cocking purposes and thats all really. i know on a timmy the LPR lowers the pressure going to the solenoid that shoots the ram around inside the body.


but how could you get the lpr on there that would shoot the hammer to go backwards and either have enough force to shoot a ball or allow other air to pass thru the valve to shoot the ball?



but omens dont have any pneumatics. they dont have a solenoid that passes air thru it...only electricity.

think electronic spyder with some fat cut off and other changes...

[*ArKfEaR*]

Originally posted by spydervenom

but omens dont have any pneumatics. they dont have a solenoid that passes air thru it...only electricity.

lol what do you mean only electricity? Im not any Omen expert but im sure 95% sure it has a solenoid otherwise the gun wouldn't fire (unless it uses like an infared beam like a A4.)

But anyway, are you guys retarded...

Bushys, BKOS, Impules, and Matrixes... oh yes and your beloeved Omen ALL DONT HAVE PNEUMATICS EITHER!

They have an LPR and a valve, which your beloved omen has as well.

Do they have 3-ways? No, do they have a manual rams? No.

By putting a Micro Rock, or any other LPR Reg you can lower the Pressure much lower. Just because they are most of the time 5x better than stock. Helping lowering the bolt pressure and making it more consistant.

[*ArKfEaR*]

Directly from the Omen Manual, and you people make fun of the '03 Shockers way of saying its closed bolt.

[spydervenom]

do you know what you're saying?

omens are sear trippers therefore their solenoids have little electronic rams that trips a sear.
they dont have an lpr, trust me.


and doesn't having a pneumatic ram and solenoid mean a gun has pneumatics? i believe so. and i know for sure that angels and bushies and imps all have those.

omens are true closed bolt...they dont stop the bolt before shooting or w/e the shocker does. i dont understand what you are trying to say.


and no you arent an omen expert, thanks for clarifying.

[FalconGuy016]

I know an omen tech who says "STAY AWAY" to anyone that asks him anything about omens. He has repaired hundreds, and is sponsored by evil so he gets basically free ones.

[spydervenom]

i'll take one off his hands

[*ArKfEaR*]

Originally posted by spydervenom

and doesn't having a pneumatic ram and solenoid mean a gun has pneumatics? i believe so. and i know for sure that angels and bushies and imps all have those.

No, no and no.

I said they don't have a pueumatic ram and but they do have a solenoid. And Sear trippers have solenoids, just look at an E-blade.

And they do have LPRS, you call it what you want. Just wait a couple months when they have LPR mods so I can laugh.

Omen expert or not, its common sense.

[spydervenom]

k then, define a pneumatic gun to me since you seem to know everything.


and i said it has a solenoid, but it doesn't have a gas-thru solenoid like all other true electros do like imps, timmies, bushies and angels.
-you said i was wrong
-you now say i was right


they do not have LPR's. they have some springs...one of the springs adjusts the tension on the cupseal of the valve, one spring adjusts the dwell, one spring adjusts something else.

there are no low pressure regulators on the omen.

in a few months if they come out with lpr's thats a totally different story. i doubt they will but that still doesn't mean they have them on now.

[Gecko]

omen's work on the same principle as a spyder tippman or a pirahnna
it's a blow back sytem, the hammer is held back by a sear, the sear is tripped hammer comes forward releasing gas to fire ball and also air back into the hammer chamber to drive the hammer back to catch on the sear.
The omen is different in that the bolt is not connected to the hammer. (hence closed bolt) The bolt is drawn back with the hammer but does not stay back like a spyder.
The omen adjusts the amount of blowback going into the chamber to reset the hammer on the sear. It allows you to fine tune the amount of gas used to drive the hammer back. Very similar to how the ICD family off blowbacks. There is no low pressure to adjust, there isn't a constant flow of air that keeps a ram forward or back all you can adjust is the amount of air going back to the hammer. You could slap a spyder frame on the omen and it would become a closed bolt manual gun. The trigger and sear action is identical to any of the the 8 million other blowbacks on the market.

Your confusing two terms that are different but sound the same
solenoids are devices that use magnectic force to push or pull like the emag

electronic air valves like what are found in impulses or vikings use a solenoid to push a valve open wich causes a ram to drive forward. These air valves are often refered to as solenoids hence everyones confusion
The eblade uses 2 solenoids, one to release the hammer and one to actuate the air valve up front.

[WARPED1]

Originally posted by spydervenom


omens are sear trippers therefore their solenoids have little electronic rams that trips a sear.
they dont have an lpr, trust me.

Are you sure? I thought for sure it wasn't a hybrid, but a "true" electro semi.

[spydervenom]

they incorporate the same sear tripping technology as an e-spyder, emag, e-cocker and anything else that uses an electromagnetic solenoid for sear tripping

[Top Secret]

There are no pnuematics. As far as I know with the limited experience I have with the Omen, the Adjustible recock changes how hard the bolt moves back and forth(aka adjusting the blowback force). The lower the better in extending the bolt bumper life. An LPR would do nothing because there are simply no solinoid that has air passing through it.

[paintball man 222]

so i can put a spyder trigger frame or a eblade trigger frame onto my omen?