Omen upgrades?

[Josh2Xtremes]

*yawn*

Having given careful thought to this thread in its entirety, it sounds to me like the best upgrade for an Omen, at this point, is probably an Automag.

[spydervenom]

Originally posted by paintball man 222
so i can put a spyder trigger frame or a eblade trigger frame onto my omen?

spyder would be incredibly difficult but eblade has been done

[fcpchop]

thats awesome, i would love to c that ebladed omen

[paintball man 222]

here you go

[eric]

and i thought MY omen was ugly.

[fcpchop]

thats not ugly thats great, i bet u that rips, is it yours?

[thei3ug]

ALL PAINTBALL GUNS are Pneumatically operated.

Any tool or object that is operated, controlled, or uses in some form compressed gas, is pneumatic.

A spyder is pneumatic. It has a valve that regulates the release of gas to a ball, and to a sealed hammer.

In all blowbacks, the hammer doubles as a "pneumatic ram."

In pump guns, A hammer actuates a pneumatic valve.

Yes, the Omen does indeed have pneumatics.

a solenoid is an electromagnet. It has nothing to do with pneumatics.

A solenoid involves a coil that moves an iron core back and forth. You can use a solenoid for many things. tripping switches, tripping sears. Interestingly enough, people like skinner and parker have made solenoids that change airflow from one output to another. These are called solenoid valves.

However, the Omen does not have a ram like a cocker. It does not have a ram like a bm2k/angel/impulse. It has a ram like the spyder. A sealed hammer that is spring driven hits a modified Sheridan Pellet Gun valve, and is returned by air diverted from the exhaust valve. Where exactly is the problem understanding this?

Next there seems to be trouble with the definition of low pressure regulator. A LPR is a regulator. It takes gas at one pressure, and lowers it to another. a Low Pressure Regulator is a somewhat subjective term, in paintball it usually puts out under 100 psi. A low pressure regulator has NO SPECIFIC PURPOSE other than the gun it's put on, usually in relation to rams. On cockers it makes sure the ram does not overpressurize so it can cycle the gun. On angels/bushmasters/impulses the ram cycles the gun AND forces the hammer foreward. On a rainmaker it closes the bolt and trips a sear.

But wait, the Omen doesn't have a ram like the others. The omen has a sealed hammer that is pneumatically returned by a sheridan valve, like a spyder. The difference being that they have a choker on it to determine how much air goes in.

So tell me, what would putting in a LPR do, exactly, besides overengineering the recock mechanism of a glorified f1 illustrator? If it worked, it would not do the job any better than a restrictor screw or whatever the omen works. It would take up more volume, more space, more seals... not to mention we don't even know what pressure is necessary to recock an omen. If it's like any other gun of that design, it's a waste.

[aaron_mag]

The Omen has essentially the same internals as the Piranha with the exception of the cam feed. The feel of the trigger is much like the eForce trigger frame. (My friend has an eForce and I have an Omen).

The big difference, of course, is the Cam feed which works really well. The stock regulator that comes with the Omen is pretty consistent. We usually get +/- 5 fps over the chrono with PMI Premium paint.

So the question becomes what sort of after market parts do you need? It doesn't chop (when setup right), has a mouseclick trigger that is adjustable, and is consistent. Yes it is a blowback semi. There is nothing wrong with that....

[spydervenom]

Originally posted by thei3ug
ALL PAINTBALL GUNS are Pneumatically operated.

Any tool or object that is operated, controlled, or uses in some form compressed gas, is pneumatic.

yes but in paintball an electropneumatic gun isnt just any gun with a switch and battery...its more than that.

electropneumatic is basically another slang paintball term because though you are technically right...thats not the way it goes in paintball.



and omen internals are similar but very different from spyders

[jinxed]

Originally posted by thei3ug
A sealed hammer that is spring driven hits a modified Sheridan Pellet Gun valve, and is returned by air diverted from the exhaust valve. Where exactly is the problem understanding this?

The problem is that most people do NOT understand this.
Most people think it has a "ram like a Timmy/angel/etc".
They think it has a "solenoid valve", and a "lpr".
This is because PMI make up new terms to decribe how the OMEN operates, and it confused the heck out of alot of people.
The OMEN is a PMI Pirahna with a little plastic cam-feed.

I like the design of the Omen. It looks like a good blowback. Not the best blowback, but the machine work looks clean. Its overpriced, but thats irrelevant because most guns are. The gun is nothing special except for the cam-feed, which is pretty darn cool. Naturally, its the only part thats patented, but I'd like to see it on other guns.

This argument is like how people will argue that all open-bolt guns are actually closed-bolt guns... and so on. Or listening to the ex-president try to explain the definition of the work "is".

Nick

[fcpchop]

so... do u think i should get one???

[TKOMag123]

i think the omen is a peice of garbage after using my friends. i fiound it no differnt felling then any other e-spyder or an other e-blow back. i thin it looks alot better then any e-blowback, and iliek the cam feed, but i think the gun is nothign but a very nice begginers gun. thats just my oppinion. buy anyway off the topic a little bit, fcp where abouts in ct do you live? i live in glastonbury and i play a strategy plus and matts outback. i also work at strategy.

[fcpchop]

i live in shelton, its about 15 minutes from brigdeport, there is a feild in monroe like 10mins from here, ghost paintball

[spydervenom]

it may seem like it shoots like any old blowback but there is no way it could feel just like any e-spyder or something like that.

1. the trigger is amazing. its so much lighter than you'll ever find stock on an e-spyder/clone
2.its a bit heavier due to cam feed
3.the frame and foregrip are nearly touching...like a cocker